Rachel Alexandra to Woodward

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Originally Posted by Gander

You are out of your mind. You think a horse who to date has done nothing but win the FL Derby is going to be 4/5 against horses who have become household names (the Birds)?

No way. Not with the Birds and Kensei. Here is my early line:

QR 2/1
Mine that Bird 3/1
Summer Bird 9/2
Kensei 6/1
Charitable Man 10/1
Warriors revenge 12/1

MTB wont be 3/1 and Kensei 6/1, if anything you have it reversed.

[CSC]

The thing that came into my mind other than the obvious dissapointment of her not running in the Travers is I had wished Commentator would not have retired not until after the Woodward.

Now really think about that.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by CSC

The thing that came into my mind other than the obvious dissapointment of her not running in the Travers is I had wished Commentator would not have retired not until after the Woodward.

Now really think about that.

If Commentator was his old self do you think they would have sent RA to the Woodward?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

If Commentator was his old self do you think they would have sent RA to the Woodward?

Even with an older Commentator, I would have loved to have seen it. I don't know enough about Jess Jackson on that one, but if I were to guess I would say NO.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

If Commentator was his old self do you think they would have sent RA to the Woodward?

I had Commentator running a pressured 116 pace and 101 final in the Whitney.

I'm not so sure he's not his old self. But, Zito probably couldn't get him back to that good effort for the Woodward .. as he was pointing to the Whitney and he's historically the type of horse with a lot of layoff lines.

[CSC]

I think it's a fair question, if Commentator had not retired would Jackson still have made this decision. Regardless if he has lost a step or not, he would have presented a unique set of problems for her that not too many horses could.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

I think it's a fair question, if Commentator had not retired would Jackson still have made this decision. Regardless if he has lost a step or not, he would have presented a unique set of problems for her that not too many horses could.

Indeed, because of his running style. But even at his best, did he ever really beat the best competition when put in the toughest spots (save for the first time he won the Whitney)? It seems like he was most brilliant when he made easy leads against the lesser fields.

Given the hypothetcial both horses at their best, I still think Rachel would power on by. Thats not really a diss on Commentator, shes just in a different league than anyone else.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

Indeed, because of his running style. But even at his best, did he ever really beat the best competition when put in the toughest spots (save for the first time he won the Whitney)? It seems like he was most brilliant when he made easy leads against the lesser fields.

Given the hypothetcial both horses at their best, I still think Rachel would power on by. Thats not really a diss on Commentator, shes just in a different league than anyone else.

I see the apparitions of Exceller and Dare And Go as you describe this action.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

If Commentator was his old self do you think they would have sent RA to the Woodward?

Which horse the one that had 9 of his 14 wins in Ny Bred races and or Opt Claiming(five horse fields) or the 4 year old who won the Whitney on a unchallenged lead?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Which horse the one that had 9 of his 14 wins in Ny Bred races and or Opt Claiming(five horse fields) or the 4 year old who won the Whitney on a unchallenged lead?

Wasn't it shocking to see that KICKBACK specialist actually trying to fight back in the lane? You'd think he'd found some nuts.