Good letter

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Lol ... was being sarcastic, Riot.


Familiar with both the WHO and CF reports



Both pretty embarrassing for the current U.S. system...

yea and WHO has no agenda. When you can be best in diagnosis and worst in the overall ranking the report is obviously flawed. You'll know when we are the worst. It will be when the rich from here are flying to foreign lands for care and Kings and Health Ministry heads aren't coming here.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

yea and WHO has no agenda. When you can be best in diagnosis and worst in the overall ranking the report is obviously flawed. You'll know when we are the worst. It will be when the rich from here are flying to foreign lands for care and Kings and Health Ministry heads aren't coming here.

That doesn't really prove anything. Nobody has ever doubted that the absolute cream of the crop medical care is in the United States. The problem is that not everyone has access to that.

But I'm hard-pressed to think that the WHO reports are really interested in measuring the healthcare system based on what a multi-millionaire/King/Health Minister can buy. The "system" is more than whether rich people can get the best health care.

If that's what we're debating here, then congratulations you win! The rich get great health care in the United States!!!!!!

And this, Dell, is the age-old gap between the two very different ways that we (meaning left and right -- and you and me, I guess -- at this point in time) view the world, and they're completely irreconcilable. You on the right care that you are taken care of and once that's done, everyone else can go f*ck themselves because you've already got yours and that's all that matters. We on the left think that there is something to the idea that everyone gets taken care of, and that it's not all about us as individuals being well-off because the better off we are as a group, the better off we are as individuals.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That doesn't really prove anything. Nobody has ever doubted that the absolute cream of the crop medical care is in the United States. The problem is that not everyone has access to that.

But I'm hard-pressed to think that the WHO reports are really interested in measuring the healthcare system based on what a multi-millionaire/King/Health Minister can buy. The "system" is more than whether rich people can get the best health care.

If that's what we're debating here, then congratulations you win! The rich get great health care in the United States!!!!!!

And this, Dell, is the age-old gap between the two very different ways that we (meaning left and right -- and you and me, I guess -- at this point in time) view the world, and they're completely irreconcilable. You on the right care that you are taken care of and once that's done, everyone else can go f*ck themselves because you've already got yours and that's all that matters. We on the left think that there is something to the idea that everyone gets taken care of, and that it's not all about us as individuals being well-off because the better off we are as a group, the better off we are as individuals.

So wrong, as usual,Brian! It's you on the left that want everbody in the same mudhole, whereas we on the right feel it's OK to rise above the rest with our skill and ambition!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So wrong, as usual,Brian! It's you on the left that want everbody in the same mudhole, whereas we on the right feel it's OK to rise above the rest with our skill and ambition!

It's us on the left who want to see everyone have a chance to get out of the mudhole. And you who still believe in the fantasy that it's just hard work and ambition that separates the haves from the have-nots, and with a little bit more boot strap pulling, all our inner city kids could be rich CEOs with access to the best medicine the world has to offer.

It's a positively irreconcilable conflict in worldviews. I'm just glad to not be on the side perpetuating that sick and selfish pipe dream.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's us on the left who want to see everyone have a chance to get out of the mudhole. .

wasn't that education? Our Chi town magnet schools (that rank near the top in the State and nation) can't do any better. You can't fix stupid ever and to try becomes a money 'mudhole' that f's everyone. Remember 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'?

PS I'm working on my 'Adopt an Amigo' health/immigration bi-partisan plan which allows the bi-partisn panel appointees to 'locate' that huge amount of wasted Medcaid $$$ and apply it to a managed health care plan for illegals and with every insured illegal an illegal gets to go home. The negatives are none and the possitives are huge. Give it a year!!!!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wasn't that education? Our Chi town magnet schools (that rank near the top in the State and nation) can't do any better. You can't fix stupid ever and to try becomes a money 'mudhole' that f's everyone. Remember 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'?

PS I'm working on my 'Adopt an Amigo' health/immigration bi-partisan plan which allows the bi-partisn panel appointees to 'locate' that huge amount of wasted Medcaid $$$ and apply it to a managed health care plan for illegals and with every insured illegal an illegal gets to go home. The negatives are none and the possitives are huge. Give it a year!!!!

viva dell

Originally Posted by dellinger63

wasn't that education? Our Chi town magnet schools (that rank near the top in the State and nation) can't do any better. You can't fix stupid ever and to try becomes a money 'mudhole' that f's everyone. Remember 'ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country'?

PS I'm working on my 'Adopt an Amigo' health/immigration bi-partisan plan which allows the bi-partisn panel appointees to 'locate' that huge amount of wasted Medcaid $$$ and apply it to a managed health care plan for illegals and with every insured illegal an illegal gets to go home. The negatives are none and the possitives are huge. Give it a year!!!!

Good post.

And really if most of the uninsured looked like this...








I would totally be for free mammograms.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Good post.

And really if most of the uninsured looked like this...








I would totally be for free mammograms.

Coach those are fictional.....a man of your stature can do better than that.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's us on the left who want to see everyone have a chance to get out of the mudhole. And you who still believe in the fantasy that it's just hard work and ambition that separates the haves from the have-nots, and with a little bit more boot strap pulling, all our inner city kids could be rich CEOs with access to the best medicine the world has to offer.

It's a positively irreconcilable conflict in worldviews. I'm just glad to not be on the side perpetuating that sick and selfish pipe dream.

That certainly is not the view I hold, but I expected the regurgitation just the same! BTW, those rose-colored glasses don't do you justice

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

yea and WHO has no agenda. When you can be best in diagnosis and worst in the overall ranking the report is obviously flawed. You'll know when we are the worst. It will be when the rich from here are flying to foreign lands for care and Kings and Health Ministry heads aren't coming here.

LOL ... high-pitch Hannity uses that moronic argument all the time too.



Not like our private insurance system has set the bar real high ... I mean, dead last overall in that Commonwealth Fund report ... and a laughable 37th-place finish in the WHO report.


What an EMBARRASSMENT for the world's most powerful economy...