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08-12-2009, 11:45 PM
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I'll put Northfield Park up against any track for allowing cancelled bets at the start, and gate callers an extra second or two. The High Roller room lets those boys get away with murder, and that is a fact. For those who dont remember or know, the story of the clerks from the Florida dog tracks in the late 70's. Dont want to misquote story, but the high low was they had a way to punch a few tickets after race complete. Really amazing, especially how they got popped. Its is the SI archives. think the title was Win, Place, or Steal.
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08-13-2009, 04:17 AM
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I don't have time to give a thorough explanation, but as has been brought up here and on air several times, the video packages that display odds on screen are directly involved in the appearences of odds increases or decreases.
1.) Odds that the video displays start with the numbers that are an estimated 93% of the pool 30-45 seconds before the start of the race. 2.) There is another tabulation before the gates open which will be the second set of reflected odds displayed on screen and are an estimated 97% of the pool. 3.) The final odds are reflected after the 'flush' 10 seconds into a race. The changes on screen reflect these snapshots of the odds ONLY IF THERE HAS BEEN A CHANGE IN THE RUNNING ORDER OF THE HORSES. So there is frequently a lag in the odds being reflected. It's funny how no one ever notes when there are increases in odds on screen. Of course it happens in completely equal proportion to decreases... Happened to bring one up on air a few weeks ago in fact...
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08-13-2009, 06:09 AM
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08-13-2009, 08:51 AM
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However past posting probably does occur sometimes, as does past canceling/ odds manipulation. I've video captured the pool money a few times when horses that don't figure have a couple thousand dollars "too much" in certain pools, early in the betting, to see if I spot a cancel or odds manipulation but I haven't caught it yet. Maybe the odds aren't a good idea to show on the screen anymore? Things should be done to alleviate both the perception and the real threat of it happening. High speed internet isn't THAT expensive, we are just sending data around...
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08-13-2009, 09:01 AM
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Of course the tracks always have an explanation for everything. I don't believe them. There have been too many cases recently of past posting that we know about. I imagine those we don't know about are tenfold.
Tenfold is about the amount I've decreased my betting this year. The game just sucks right now for the most part. It is amazing how outdated the whole tote system is, and nobody seems to care.
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08-13-2009, 09:22 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984. Last edited by Kasept : 08-13-2009 at 10:57 AM.
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08-13-2009, 09:28 AM
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Steve,
All I can say is, I chose a race that was 2 miles long on purpose. If ever there was a time in shouldn't have happened, that was it...I would have no problem with them closing betting when they start loading.
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08-13-2009, 09:43 AM
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It might not matter until the video display package and tote system are updated/automated/integrated more thoroughly. Now, there is STILL going to be a slight lag from the final flushes of the system and how they appear on screen. If horses stay in that same order ALL THE WAY around, the prices could be completely different than what was shown THE ENTIRE RACE.
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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08-13-2009, 09:46 AM
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08-13-2009, 10:31 AM
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I hope you have a good lawyer Steve.
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08-13-2009, 10:57 AM
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 OMG... I did in fact mistake the author. In this case, an outrageously egregious error.
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08-13-2009, 11:30 AM
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Hopefully CJ recovers from such a vicious attack.........
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08-13-2009, 02:30 PM
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