Mattress Mack - 2 milly for Rachel/Zenyatta...AT SAM HOUSTON!!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Why? You don't think your horse would have a chance with those threatening 99 beyers she runs?

troll'n, troll'n, troll'n...keep those posts a troll'n.....left bank

It could be 20 million, like money matters with two owners worth 100's of millions and at a place like SH.

[Left Bank]

Well,numb nuts,for one,it's a neutral site.number two,the purse is an incentive to try and bring the two together,and three,it will settle once and for all the question everyone wants to know,and that is how easily Rachael will whoop this SoCal Lava Man impersonator!!!!

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Well,numb nuts,for one,it's a neutral site.number two,the purse is an incentive to try and bring the two together,and three,it will settle once and for all the question everyone wants to know,and that is how easily Rachael will whoop this SoCal Lava Man impersonator!!!!

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

I just explained to you what it will settle.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

but isnt that why E and EP types are better than closers as race horses, I have always felt that way. Just because Zenyatta has collapsed every pace scenario does not change that, she is a bit of a freak in that regard.

[Sightseek]

I wonder what horsey message boards would have been like during the Affirmed and Alydar TC season?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I wonder what horsey message boards would have been like during the Affirmed and Alydar TC season?

one sided to Alydar...trust me

[letswastemoney]

No one is going to pass up a G1 race for this. The match race would have to be after the BC

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

but isnt that why E and EP types are better than closers as race horses, I have always felt that way. Just because Zenyatta has collapsed every pace scenario does not change that, she is a bit of a freak in that regard.

I personally think that Zenyatta is a very good horse. I thought she was beat on Sunday (a couple of times) and she battled, dug in and got up to win. As far as the pace scenarios that she has/has not gotten to close into, I just think that she is so much more talented than the horses she is is running against out there.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

SoCal Lava Man impersonator!!!!

yea, she sucks, we get your point, 99 beyer and all, your opinion is clear.

for the record please find a post were I question RA at all.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yea, she sucks, we get your point, 99 beyer and all, your opinion is clear.

for the record please find a post were I question RA at all.

......left nut.....what a f%@cking moron.

[parsixfarms]

Assuming Rachel goes in the Woodward, wouldn't that the best place for Zenyatta to take a shot at her, if Zenyatta's owners were inclined to take their mare out of her SoCal cocoon this year? There would be older males to run with Rachel on the front end, as opposed to what you might get in a race such as the Beldame or any other race limited to fillies and mares. And a 9F race track might very well suit Zenyatta's running style.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Assuming Rachel goes in the Woodward, wouldn't that the best place for Zenyatta to take a shot at her, if Zenyatta's owners were inclined to take their mare out of her SoCal cocoon this year? There would be older males to run with Rachel on the front end, as opposed to what you might get in a race such as the Beldame or any other race limited to fillies and mares. And a 9F race track might very well suit Zenyatta's running style.

Zenyatta's owners aren't even willing to consider the Pacific Classic now. There is no way they are going anywhere to face Rachel.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Zenyatta's owners aren't even willing to consider the Pacific Classic now. There is no way they are going anywhere to face Rachel.

I agree. The match race idea is silly. My point was that, if (and that's a mighty big IF) they wanted to face Rachel, wouldn't the Woodward be the best race in which to do it.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Assuming Rachel goes in the Woodward, wouldn't that the best place for Zenyatta to take a shot at her, if Zenyatta's owners were inclined to take their mare out of her SoCal cocoon this year? There would be older males to run with Rachel on the front end, as opposed to what you might get in a race such as the Beldame or any other race limited to fillies and mares. And a 9F race track might very well suit Zenyatta's running style.

I have heard they were not happy at all with Belmont after Giacomo and Tiago shipped there. Dont jump on me because I am not saying it but just saying I read that over the past couple of years.

[Smooth Operator]

Originally Posted by Left Bank

Well,numb nuts,for one,it's a neutral site.number two,the purse is an incentive to try and bring the two together,and three,it will settle once and for all the question everyone wants to know,and that is how easily Rachael will whoop this SoCal Lava Man impersonator!!!!

Can someone tell Pants to save this post? lol

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

troll'n, troll'n, troll'n...keep those posts a troll'n.....left bank

It could be 20 million, like money matters with two owners worth 100's of millions and at a place like SH.

Explain that to Monmouth and those horsemen at The Meadowlands...

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

troll'n, troll'n, troll'n...keep those posts a troll'n.....left bank

It could be 20 million, like money matters with two owners worth 100's of millions and at a place like SH.

Actually Cannon Shell believes purses are VERY important so I am assuming if it was 20 mil that would get both of there attention..

[Danzig]

i doubt that zenyatta will go anywhere to face rachel. there's no need for them to ship. there's plenty to win in cali. they won't enter her in an open race, as they don't wish to take on males. they probably don't want to enter a weight for age, and concede any perceived advantage to rachel in that respect.

if the main things the mosses want is to race zenyatta, enjoy her racing, and try to retire her undefeated, then there is no reason at all for them to do anything other than what they've been doing. if they absolutely want HOY, then they cannot. so, it all boils down to what is most important for them. i don't have any issue with them if they choose to keep zenyatta in california, just like i have no issue with jackson not taking rachel to the bc.

[freddymo]

From what insiders are saying the Clark is a very real possiblity.