What is C BROWN UP TO?

[golfer]

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by golfer

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

Thanks for posting this, as I think it gets to the point from another perspective and thus add even more credence to what's being advanced here.

I have charts of this horse's races going back to 8/13/07 at SAR. That's 13 races, including the two under Brown. Prior to its 1st race under Brown, this would be 11 races, this horse had never wiped-out a field. Never come close. Yet, it did so, 1st time Brown. While wipe-outs happen more rarely on turf than do on dirt (especially off tracks), they're even rarer in sprints, as it takes a monster effort to separate from EVERY other horse in the race going a short distance. And yesterday, the ****er ran the following splits:

21.71
22.82
10.67
12.40

Now running 10.67 for the 5F eighth is quite a feat. Don't think I've ever seen that on the BEL turf. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.) But doing so after an initial quarter of 21.71 is pretty remarkable, hard turf and all. I mean, they don't do **** like this on the Cali turf sprinting.

[MisterB]

How did he take Quit Meadow from Hall of Famer Nick Zito who was running at penn national, and win a stakes in Tampa, and get beat by a lip in the G3 All is Vanity? Must be in the water

How did he take a Bill Mott horse "Maram" and win a Breeders Cup?

Must be the water

[Fearless Leader]

It's both funny and sad at the same time that all of you clowns want to criticize Chad Brown for doing a good job. It's not like it is unheard of for someone to do much better with a horse then some of the names you mentioned. The hype surrounding those "name" outfits is oftentimes undeserved, and this is merely another example.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

It's both funny and sad at the same time that all of you clowns want to criticize Chad Brown for doing a good job. It's not like it is unheard of for someone to do much better with a horse then some of the names you mentioned. The hype surrounding those "name" outfits is oftentimes undeserved, and this is merely another example.

Is it criticism or just critical thinking?

You see this with a 40k 3 year old in socal and people would be flipping out, this is a 6 year old.

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by MisterB

How did he take Quit Meadow from Hall of Famer Nick Zito who was running at penn national, and win a stakes in Tampa, and get beat by a lip in the G3 All is Vanity? Must be in the water

How did he take a Bill Mott horse "Maram" and win a Breeders Cup?

Must be the water

Check your facts! Maram never started for Mott. I watched this filly train the entire summer on the Saratoga main track under CB's care.
As for Zito, his turf win percentage is around 2%.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by turf fan

Check your facts! Maram never started for Mott. I watched this filly train the entire summer on the Saratoga main track under CB's care.
As for Zito, his turf win percentage is around 2%.

The horse was in Motts barn in training, and transferred to Chad in a owner and trainer agreement. Actually Mott had his choice to send one of the owners horses to Chad. Mott chose Maram. He didn't feel she was the better of the others. So get your facts correct. As for Zito, he stated the horse couldn't run, and the owners transfered the horse to Chad.

If you watched Marams works, How come I never seen you, or how did you know Maram was training. Impossible unless your at CB's barn, or your a clocker.

As for the main track, your wrong. CB trained on the Oklahoma track, from the Annex. He has now moved to barn 13, backside.

[10 pnt move up]

Gary Gullo....I am sure he just is having a great meet..sure there is nothing funny going on, guy is like the next bobby frankel.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Gary Gullo....I am sure he just is having a great meet..sure there is nothing funny going on, guy is like the next bobby frankel.

That't funny he worked for Frankel for 5 yrs, nothing like milking knowledge from the master.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by MisterB

The horse was in Motts barn in training, and transferred to Chad in a owner and trainer agreement. Actually Mott had his choice to send one of the owners horses to Chad. Mott chose Maram. He didn't feel she was the better of the others. So get your facts correct. As for Zito, he stated the horse couldn't run, and the owners transfered the horse to Chad.

If you watched Marams works, How come I never seen you, or how did you know Maram was training. Impossible unless your at CB's barn, or your a clocker.

As for the main track, your wrong. CB trained on the Oklahoma track, from the Annex. He has now moved to barn 13, backside.

Well then, maybe Mott was just wrong. He was just dreadful at Saratoga last year.

Maram was stabled off Gridley St last summer. Not sure where he is this year but I watched two of his horses train on Monday at Oklahoma, while standing with him. He was kind enough to identfy the horses and spend a few minutes in conversation.

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by MisterB

The horse was in Motts barn in training, and transferred to Chad in a owner and trainer agreement. Actually Mott had his choice to send one of the owners horses to Chad. Mott chose Maram. He didn't feel she was the better of the others. So get your facts correct. As for Zito, he stated the horse couldn't run, and the owners transfered the horse to Chad.

If you watched Marams works, How come I never seen you, or how did you know Maram was training. Impossible unless your at CB's barn, or your a clocker.

As for the main track, your wrong. CB trained on the Oklahoma track, from the Annex. He has now moved to barn 13, backside.

My facts are correct, Maram never started for Mott. Maram trained on the main track the entire summer meet last year from a private barn.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

21.71
22.82
10.67
12.40

wow

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

ALL IN the FAT WEIGH
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how did i miss the announcement thread!?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by golfer

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

great job, its not normal at all...I am sure he just change shoes or dentists or something.