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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Where do you guys get that he is a "pretty good shooter" or an "nba quality shooter" when he never shot better than 39% from the college three point line in three years??????

Please explain that one to me.

He has a pretty good midrange shot. He is not a great long range shooter but does shoot the ball good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe not play a lot but there are a lot worse shooters in the NBA

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He has a pretty good midrange shot. He is not a great long range shooter but does shoot the ball good enough to play in the NBA. Maybe not play a lot but there are a lot worse shooters in the NBA

Sure there are worse shooters in the NBA. I didnt say he is the worst shooter i have seen. I said his shot is inconsistent...hence his sub 40% from the 20 ft college three point line which would fit into the "midrange game" in the NBA.

I think we are pretty much on the same page with Buddinger. . He is too laterally immobile to guard anyone on the perimeter and too small to guard anyone in the post. If you cant guard your position, you better be able to at least shoot. He shoots inconsistently and can't shoot for range. They don't pay midrange NBA shooters that cant get their own shot and can't play defense. There are a 100 guys every year that come out and fit those qualifications.

So what would his role be? You got it. He would be a faster, higher leaping adam morrison...that doesnt shoot it nearly as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Sure there are worse shooters in the NBA. I didnt say he is the worst shooter i have seen. I said his shot is inconsistent...hence his sub 40% from the 20 ft college three point line which would fit into the "midrange game" in the NBA.

I think we are pretty much on the same page with Buddinger. . He is too laterally immobile to guard anyone on the perimeter and too small to guard anyone in the post. If you cant guard your position, you better be able to at least shoot. He shoots inconsistently and can't shoot for range. They don't pay midrange NBA shooters that cant get their own shot and can't play defense. There are a 100 guys every year that come out and fit those qualifications.

So what would his role be? You got it. He would be a faster, higher leaping adam morrison...that doesnt shoot it nearly as well.

He is a 10th or 11th man who you pay a touch over minimum, plays 5 or 6 minutes a game, usually padded by blowout minutes, who will play hard and wont bitch at the DNP-CD's.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is a 10th or 11th man who you pay a touch over minimum, plays 5 or 6 minutes a game, usually padded by blowout minutes, who will play hard and wont bitch at the DNP-CD's.

If he is lucky enough to find a coach/gm that likes him. Sure. he could do that. So could 100 other guys that are in the d league or overseas.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If he is lucky enough to find a coach/gm that likes him. Sure. he could do that. So could 100 other guys that are in the d league or overseas.

Not exactly. Finding a good 10-12th is not easy as it seems because they are the guys that you arent paying to play, you are paying them not to play. Very few even semi-talented guys accept that role well. He is talented enough to improve enough to perhaps play limited regular minutes and probably smart enough to accept that role. He is a pretty good athlete and does shoot enough to make him an asset at a low price. Not a valuable asset but an asset. The D-League is full of malcontents and europlayers are too expensive.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not exactly. Finding a good 10-12th is not easy as it seems because they are the guys that you arent paying to play, you are paying them not to play. Very few even semi-talented guys accept that role well. He is talented enough to improve enough to perhaps play limited regular minutes and probably smart enough to accept that role. He is a pretty good athlete and does shoot enough to make him an asset at a low price. Not a valuable asset but an asset. The D-League is full of malcontents and europlayers are too expensive.

The guys you are talking about usually have a defined role though. Maybe they can play 5-6 minutes of aggressive defense. Maybe they are 7 ft and can give you a couple of fouls or merely be another big body for practice. Maybe its an aging guard that is a good influence on the younger players.

If it is a young guy, like buddinger, he better be someone that has a role he can fit into already for spot minutes or you see light at the end of the tunnel and you think he has talent to develop in a year or two into someone that can play decent minutes. Or he lucks out and finds a coach that just likes him.

Buddinger can't shoot well enough where you would overlook his defensive issues and he cant get his own shot well enough to offset his inconsistency from range. So what does he have to contribute? What similar player can you think of that was successful?

[King Glorious]

This kind of gets back to the whole argument about contested shots versus open shots but with Buddinger, he was one of Arizona's key offensive guys. Defenses paid a lot more attention to him than they will in the NBA and he didn't get the same kind of shots that he will in the NBA. It's not uncommon to see guys that are good shooters to have their percentage go up a little in the NBA because the defense won't be keying on him and he'll get more open looks. Buddinger has played within the offense so far and has taken good shots. In three games, he's 19-30 from the field and 3-6 on three point shots.

Jordan Hill looks like he'll do really well. He absolutely killed Thabeet. Thabeet had no answers for Hill in the post. He got great position and has a real nice turnaround/fallaway. The thing I liked was that he made quick decisions. He didn't shoot so well overall but he got good shots and looked comfortable and he's got some athleticsm. He'll be fine.