Which top 4 is a bigger laughingstock?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Paasch ain't bad

He's basically a 12% guy who gets some pretty darn nice stock from the sales...albeit not in high volume.

He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's basically a 12% guy who gets some pretty darn nice stock from the sales...albeit not in high volume.

He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.

STATISTICS BE DAMNED (although if i looked it up, and he happened to have a nice ROI, I would probably sing a different tune).

Paasch has his moments. He seems like a real good horseman and from a distance, doesn't seem to be missing out on the "stuff" other guys are doing.

Going to Frankel was actually a step down. Before everyone is up in arms, the key here is context and the fact that SB had a good thing going with Paasch. Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner.
Going to Dutrow always brings the chance of improving, so no debate there.

Not trying to nitpick or be contrarian like some when they see a DrugS post lately. Just happen to think highly of Paasch.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Similar to calling Rachel's a positive trainer change, except Paasch is more potent than Werner from my limited knowledge of Werner.

Wiggins. Not Werner.

[CSC]

A Trainer upgrade of going from worser to worse and the horse still managing to win a grade 1 would be who?

Clue - Female Trainer to Old Fart.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

Yep, hard to believe Azeri had the career she had under those 2 and this is when Lukas was downright awful also.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Laura De Soreux to Lukas?

That was my guess except the worse part threw me off.

[CSC]

Yeah it might be the contrarian view but I actually thought Lukas improved her abit if we are to use beyers as the definitive gauge, but we just had that discussion...

[johnny pinwheel]

the whole breeders cup was a joke. i think zenyatta is the only horse that won on the poly thats won since in this country, not including turf racing.. oh yeah , its there again this year.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

the whole breeders cup was a joke. i think zenyatta is the only horse that won on the poly thats won since in this country, not including turf racing.. oh yeah , its there again this year.

Stardom Bound

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Not trying to nitpick or be contrarian like some when they see a DrugS post lately. Just happen to think highly of Paasch.

Paasch is reminiscent of Brian Mayberry back in the early '90s. Very strong in the summer and fall with juveniles before burning them out well before the New Year.

He was loaded for bear a couple of summers ago, with Prime Ruler, Principle Secret, and She's Included. The filly never started again after the BC and the next time the two colts won it was well over a year between drinks for each...and for claiming tags to boot. Honestly, I don't know if he's won a race of consequence with a horse older than 2 (unless you count Prime Ruler's minor stakes win at Fairplex). Other fizzled out 2yo stars include Hello Lucky, Diplomat Lady, and Kamsack (whom he brought out off a 3 or 4 year layoff to run for $25K).

In that respect, its a small miracle Stardom Bound was able to do anything at all this year.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Not trying to nitpick or be contrarian like some when they see a DrugS post lately. Just happen to think highly of Paasch.

Paasch is reminiscent of Brian Mayberry back in the early '90s. Very strong in the summer and fall with juveniles before burning them out well before the New Year.

He was loaded for bear a couple of summers ago, with Prime Ruler, Principle Secret, and She's Included. The filly never started again after the BC and the next time the two colts won it was well over a year between drinks for each...and for claiming tags to boot. Honestly, I don't know if he's won a race of consequence with a horse older than 2 (unless you count Prime Ruler's minor stakes win at Fairplex). Other fizzled out 2yo stars include Hello Lucky, Diplomat Lady, and Kamsack (whom he brought out off a 3 or 4 year layoff to run for $25K).

In that respect, its a small miracle Stardom Bound was able to do anything at all this year.

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's also a very likely future trainer of a DT Stables horse ... as he's portly and stuff.

Gotta a lot going for him...

When a trainer has stuff.
I prefer rotund trainers, but portly will do.