Arlington Million winner 2009

Scav · #1 06-28-2009, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I would take the 1-2-3-4 finishers of the Manhattan over any of those three, even if their prices were lower. Seaspeak is an allowance horse who beat up on horrible competition at Lone Star and Cowboy Cal is an 8-9 furlong animal.

If Drysdale sets it up so that Marsh Side's 3rd off the Dubai trip is the Million, he'll be worth a long look. I thought he ran an excellent race in the Manhattan.

NT

it is almost a guarantee for some illogical horse to win this year with the way both surfaces are playing at Arlington this year. Horses are going 1:16 on the lead on the turf and getting snapped by horses that are 5 wide. The synthetic has been impossible because they got some new tool and slowed the track down to a crawl and these jocks have no idea what is going on.

Its a rodeo right now

jpops757 · #2 06-28-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

it is almost a guarantee for some illogical horse to win this year with the way both surfaces are playing at Arlington this year. Horses are going 1:16 on the lead on the turf and getting snapped by horses that are 5 wide. The synthetic has been impossible because they got some new tool and slowed the track down to a crawl and these jocks have no idea what is going on.

Its a rodeo right now

If we get a soft turf and a suitable pace, wil the oldtimer Better Talk Now take one for old times sake?

CSC · #3 06-28-2009, 10:35 PM

I always go with the international's - Jambalaya - Spirit One - Cima De Triomphe...2009

brockguy · #4 06-29-2009, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I always go with the international's - Jambalaya - Spirit One - Cima De Triomphe...2009

Cima could be a nice type, we'll know more this weekend when he faces sea the stars et al in the eclipse! I'm not too sure if cumani usually points his horses here! Plus he does seem to take a while to get into top gear, much like mount Nelson last year!

CSC · #5 06-29-2009, 11:50 AM

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Cima could be a nice type, we'll know more this weekend when he faces sea the stars et al in the eclipse! I'm not too sure if cumani usually points his horses here! Plus he does seem to take a while to get into top gear, much like mount Nelson last year!

Vision D'tat my pick in the Arc last year beat him in the Prix Ganay, his second start he was probably much tighter beating BC winner Conduit by a nose in a group 3. It will be interesting to see if Cumani comes over, usually the appeal to come over here is to add a gr.1 to the resume however since Cima is a gr.1 winner already abeit it was only the Italian Derby he may skip, and move towards a second shot at the arc.

my miss storm cat · #6 06-29-2009, 11:49 AM

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Cima De Triomphe...2009

I'm a fan of his.... nice win in the Italian Derby last year, looked good beating Conduit in May.

I'm with you on this one if he comes over.

CSC · #7 06-29-2009, 12:06 PM

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I'm a fan of his.... nice win in the Italian Derby last year, looked good beating Conduit in May.

I'm with you on this one if he comes over.

Yes! Sorry I missed your post SC...I have to be discreet at work.

brianwspencer · #8 06-29-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

If we get a soft turf and a suitable pace, wil the oldtimer Better Talk Now take one for old times sake?

No chance. Not even if the ground is boggy and they go :45.2

CSC · #9 06-29-2009, 09:08 AM

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No chance. Not even if the ground is boggy and they go :45.2

He actually ran a good race in the Manhattan, I always had a fondness for him(BTN), but seriously why would anyone bet U.S based turfers when the Euro's are so specialized at it.

Of the nominated I'll repeat it again, I hope Cumani takes a shot with Cima De Triomphe, his preparation sort of reminds me of Spirit One's a year ago.

brianwspencer · #10 06-29-2009, 09:54 AM

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He actually ran a good race in the Manhattan, I always had a fondness for him(BTN), but seriously why would anyone bet U.S based turfers when the Euro's are so specialized at it.

Of the nominated I'll repeat it again, I hope Cumani takes a shot with Cima De Triomphe, his preparation sort of reminds me of Spirit One's a year ago.

I liked his Manhattan quite a bit, and have had a soft spot for him myself since the Lone Star Breeders' Cup win.

Just don't particularly like his style over this course whatsoever. Deep closers over this course (or any turf course, for that matter) are usually a bad bet, and at Arlington, if it's a horse that takes any time at all to get rolling (ie, without a Euro style turn of foot) they're much too late once they straighten and get moving.

CSC · #11 06-29-2009, 10:29 AM

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I liked his Manhattan quite a bit, and have had a soft spot for him myself since the Lone Star Breeders' Cup win.

There's a race on youtube of him winning the Manhattan that shows him weaving through the stretch to just get up, beating Shakis among others, that was one of my personal favorite races. Typical Dominguez ride!

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Just don't particularly like his style over this course whatsoever. Deep closers over this course (or any turf course, for that matter) are usually a bad bet, and at Arlington, if it's a horse that takes any time at all to get rolling (ie, without a Euro style turn of foot) they're much too late once they straighten and get moving.

I think this is where the European training is more advantageous to the way North American horses are trained for turf races. The Euro's train their horses to race quietly early on in their races, saving their energy for one quick burst in the stretch. In general NA horses make their move on the turn whereas can wait a little longer, regardless at a price I will always look for a decent Euro horse to bet in a race such as this, if not for the unknown factor. I know we like to think we have the best horses running over here, and for dirt races I would tend to agree, but on the grass the Euro's are far superior.

Clip-Clop · #12 06-30-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

He actually ran a good race in the Manhattan, I always had a fondness for him(BTN), but seriously why would anyone bet U.S based turfers when the Euro's are so specialized at it.

English Channel?