Quality Road to Pletcher..

[-BT-]

dude wtf?

i know its there money and their stock, but i'm tired of owners yanking horses from the people who developed thier horses and putting them in the hands of the mega-trainers like Ass and Pletch.

-bt-

[hockey2315]

Jerkens isn't exactly a little guy, though. I agree that it's a bit surprising with the success Jerkens has had with this horse and a few of Evans' others, but he does seem to train a lot of fast horses that end up having problems (I'm sure I'll get ripped for this). I wonder how Storm Play is doing after they threw him to the wolves in the Cigar. . .

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Jerkens isn't exactly a little guy, though. I agree that it's a bit surprising with the success Jerkens has had with this horse and a few of Evans' others, but he does seem to train a lot of fast horses that end up having problems (I'm sure I'll get ripped for this). I wonder how Storm Play is doing after they threw him to the wolves in the Cigar. . .

Storm Play has been with Pletcher for quite some time. He had cleared the N1X condition, won an overnight stake and last year's Cigar Mile, while deep and competitive, hardly featured a horse you should really be scared of. I didn't like Storm Play that day but I doubt you can blame JJ for trying him there.

What are your other examples of fast horses Jerkens has trained that have had problems?

NT

[Indian Charlie]

zaftig

[hockey2315]

Umm Zaftig. Desert Key. QR obviously.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Umm Zaftig. Desert Key. QR obviously.

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't necessarily disagree because you could have thrown in Mint Lane,
Tiger, Christmas Kid (all of whom might not have been that great but suffered dramatic falls from grace).

NT

Then what was your point?

[Sightseek]

I don't think 'fast horses with problems' are exclusive to Jerkens - you could say that with nearly anybody.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Then what was your point?

My point was that while JJ has struggled with keeping some horses that had potential sound but Storm Play should not necessarily be singled out as a bad training job.

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Storm Play has been with Pletcher for quite some time. He had cleared the N1X condition, won an overnight stake and last year's Cigar Mile, while deep and competitive, hardly featured a horse you should really be scared of. I didn't like Storm Play that day but I doubt you can blame JJ for trying him there.

What are your other examples of fast horses Jerkens has trained that have had problems?

NT

Some more:

Vitruvius, Corinthian (who ended up putting things back together), Doremifasolatidoooooo, Mint Lane.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by -BT-

dude wtf?

i know its there money and their stock, but i'm tired of owners yanking horses from the people who developed thier horses and putting them in the hands of the mega-trainers like Ass and Pletch.

-bt-

I thought Jimmy Jerkens was a MEGA trainer. Maybe not in the way of number of horses but certainly in ability.
Jerkens is a very old school type trainer. He would be considered to some hard on his horses...He works them very fast, etc. ( im not knocking the guy, Id put him in my top 5 for all trainers.)
I read an interview with him. Last year I think in the Bloodhorse, 'he said dad taught him to train his horses hard and the good ones would respond'.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I thought Jimmy Jerkens was a MEGA trainer. Maybe not in the way of number of horses but certainly in ability.
Jerkens is a very old school type trainer. He would be considered to some hard on his horses...He works them very fast, etc. ( im not knocking the guy, Id put him in my top 5 for all trainers.)
I read an interview with him. Last year I think in the Bloodhorse, 'he said dad taught him to train his horses hard and the good ones would respond'.

he's a good trainer don't get me wrong, but you don't hear owners switching to him with big time horses, like baffert, Ass, Pletcher, dutrow. Just my 2 cents. I guess evans thinks pletcher can better campaign a horse like QR for the future, but the guy has soo much stock like ass, how much time can he really spend with the horse


-bt-

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by -BT-

he's a good trainer don't get me wrong, but you don't hear owners switching to him with big time horses, like baffert, Ass, Pletcher, dutrow. Just my 2 cents. I guess evans thinks pletcher can better campaign a horse like QR for the future, but the guy has soo much stock like ass, how much time can he really spend with the horse


-bt-

I agree.

Jerkens also stated in that interview, that i cant seem to find online, that he would never have a large stable. He said he is pushing it with 45 horses.

[Bobby Fischer]

they have it up in DRF now as done


Mr Obvious says: Evans is big with breeding, and a lot of times when a breeding deal is all but finalized the big operations want to have "their" trainers train the horse out.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

they have it up in DRF now as done


Mr Obvious says: Evans is big with breeding, and a lot of times when a breeding deal is all but finalized the big operations want to have "their" trainers train the horse out.

Then why tansfer the fillies??

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Then why tansfer the fillies??

interesting. Apparently there was a major decision to transfer stock

I wish Mr. Obvious would stop using my account

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

that should help is injurys..

[Bobby Fischer]

it's a lot more prestigious to retire a 3yo under Pletcher than Jerkens