NBA Championship: Lakers Vs. Magic

[dalakhani]

Both pass well?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Both pass well?

So does Steve Nash, I hope you aren't going to compare him to Dirk and Hedo next.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

So does Steve Nash, I hope you aren't going to compare him to Dirk and Hedo next.

I gave you a couple of ways that they are similar. This is not becoming of you.

I understand you are frustrated and mad as a laker hater but at least make some sense.

[King Glorious]

Wow. Nowitzki and Turkoglu are similar now? Sniper is right. That might be the worst comparison in history. Turkoglu has no post game. Dirk has no ability to create offense off the dribble. Dirk is a good rebounder. Turkoglu is an opportunistic one. The offense can run through Dirk. Hedo can run the offense.

If you want a better comparison, I've got one for you. Turkoglu and Toni Kukoc. If you want to say he's a poor man's anything, maybe Tracy McGrady is a good one.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you want a better comparison, I've got one for you. Turkoglu and Toni Kukoc.

That's a much better comparison.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wow. Nowitzki and Turkoglu are similar now? Sniper is right. That might be the worst comparison in history. Turkoglu has no post game. Dirk has no ability to create offense off the dribble. Dirk is a good rebounder. Turkoglu is an opportunistic one. The offense can run through Dirk. Hedo can run the offense.

If you want a better comparison, I've got one for you. Turkoglu and Toni Kukoc.

Oh, the hyperbole. LOL. It was as if i was comparing mark eaton to akeem.

Dirk can shoot off the dribble and create from the perimeter. Hedo can take it to the hole but he is more often finishing midrange than at the basket. either way the similarity is that they are both the same size, same position and can do many of the same things.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Oh, the hyperbole. LOL. It was as if i was comparing mark eaton to akeem.

Dirk can shoot off the dribble and create from the perimeter. Hedo can take it to the hole but he is more often finishing midrange than at the basket. either way the similarity is that they are both the same size, same position and can do many of the same things.

Um, no, no, and no. It is time to upgrade the TV Fu.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wow. Nowitzki and Turkoglu are similar now? Sniper is right. That might be the worst comparison in history. Turkoglu has no post game. Dirk has no ability to create offense off the dribble. Dirk is a good rebounder. Turkoglu is an opportunistic one. The offense can run through Dirk. Hedo can run the offense.

If you want a better comparison, I've got one for you. Turkoglu and Toni Kukoc. If you want to say he's a poor man's anything, maybe Tracy McGrady is a good one.

He isnt nearly as athletic as mcgrady is/was. Mcgrady is a swing, Turk is a 4. Come one kg, you are slippin...at least turk and dirk play the same position.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He isnt nearly as athletic as mcgrady is/was. Mcgrady is a swing, Turk is a 4. Come one kg, you are slippin...at least turk and dirk play the same position.

Turk is a 4? Maybe in fantasyland. Rashard Lewis is a nice 4, Turkoglu is not.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Turk is a 4? Maybe in fantasyland. Rashard Lewis is a nice 4, Turkoglu is not.

They kind of interchange because neither of them can guard a legit 4 but you are probably right that turk is more the 3. My mistake.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Turk is a 4? Maybe in fantasyland. Rashard Lewis is a nice 4, Turkoglu is not.

I'd have to disagree with you here. Neither one of them is a real power forward. They are in essence both small forwards. Turkoglu has more of a post game than Lewis does and even he doesn't have much of one. Lewis can only go to the post if a guard is on him. Lewis' game is 95% perimeter.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

He isnt nearly as athletic as mcgrady is/was. Mcgrady is a swing, Turk is a 4. Come one kg, you are slippin...at least turk and dirk play the same position.

That's like saying Ron Harper and John Stockton played the same position. Or Brian Shaw and Chris Paul. Come on. What position a guy is listed as is meaningless. Turkoglu does not play the post at all. At all. Nobody said he's as athletic as McGrady. But in looking at their roles on their respective teams, it is very similar. Both of them are the secondary ball handlers on their teams and can either be used to relieve pressure on the point guard or to initiate the offense themselves. Both create their own shot off of the dribble and don't need screens and picks to get open. Both are good outside shooters but not great. Both can get to the basket. Both rebound fairly well and play slight defense. Both can go to the boards and get it off and take it up the floor. Dirk can't do most of those things. He can shoot off the dribble on only two moves. One is the pull-up and the other is the reverse spin dribble. Both of those, he can only do against big guys. He has big time trouble trying to take advantage of smaller guys that he should have a size advantage over. Notice how Bowen and Stephen Jackson both gave him tons of trouble. Dirk excels when he's guarded by someone of similar size that he can take outside because he has a quickness advantage over most of them. Turkoglu has an advantage over any power forward and he can also do his thing against small forwards. Offensively, they are completely different.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's like saying Ron Harper and John Stockton played the same position. Or Brian Shaw and Chris Paul. Come on. What position a guy is listed as is meaningless. Turkoglu does not play the post at all. At all. Nobody said he's as athletic as McGrady. But in looking at their roles on their respective teams, it is very similar. Both of them are the secondary ball handlers on their teams and can either be used to relieve pressure on the point guard or to initiate the offense themselves. Both create their own shot off of the dribble and don't need screens and picks to get open. Both are good outside shooters but not great. Both can get to the basket. Both rebound fairly well and play slight defense. Both can go to the boards and get it off and take it up the floor. Dirk can't do most of those things. He can shoot off the dribble on only two moves. One is the pull-up and the other is the reverse spin dribble. Both of those, he can only do against big guys. He has big time trouble trying to take advantage of smaller guys that he should have a size advantage over. Notice how Bowen and Stephen Jackson both gave him tons of trouble. Dirk excels when he's guarded by someone of similar size that he can take outside because he has a quickness advantage over most of them. Turkoglu has an advantage over any power forward and he can also do his thing against small forwards. Offensively, they are completely different.

Dirk is almost always being guarded by a guy that is smalller than him. How many big guys guard him? They can't stay with him out there. He is 6 11.

Dirk can't start the break off of the rebound? Do you want me to pull up the youtube videos where he does?

Dirk can't get to the basket? He was 8th in the league in ft attempts.