Borel off Bird for Rachel in Preakness

[sdjcom]

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

Really , so what is your point.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Really , so what is your point.

If you can't see my point he has more to lose giving up aTC bid than riding RA, what happens if MTB pulls it off? Borel will be a laughing stock, if he loses on MTB then people will say he keeps his word and can be counted on, imo it's a matter of principle.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

If you can't see my point he has more to lose giving up aTC bid than riding RA, what happens if MTB pulls it off? Borel will be a laughing stock, if he loses on MTB then people will say he keeps his word and can be counted on, imo it's a matter of principle.

Mind the Bird isn't going to pull it off and lightning doesnt strike in the same place twice. Borel made a money making choice.............

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Mind the Bird isn't going to pull it off and lightning doesnt strike in the same place twice. Borel made a money making choice.............

After what happened last Saturday at Churchill, anything is possible, and i believe MTB just might moved up again off that effort, and not bounce. not saying he will win just he will give a good account of himself, it wasn't just the inside ride, the horse has some talent.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

I could make the exact opposite argument. He's been riding the filly all along. He's been on her for the past 6 months. He's ridden her 5 times. He picked up the mount on MTB at the last minute and he's ridden him only once. Why would CB have more loyalty to MTB than RA? RA has been his mount for 6 months. He should stick with RA.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I could make the exact opposite argument. He's been riding the filly all along. He's been on her for the past 6 months. He's ridden her 5 times. He picked up the mount on MTB at the last minute and he's ridden him only once. Why would CB have more loyalty to MTB than RA? RA has been his mount for 6 months. He should stick with RA.

the horse was sold to other connections,and they want to run her in preakness why, no chance for TC, can't be the money. JJ is just an egotistical limelight sucker fish .

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

Come on Stan, it's not like he's jumping off a horse that was even considered a contender for the Kentucky Derby, let alone the triple crown. Reguardless of whichever horse Borel ends up on, the Mine that Bord people should be indebted to Calvin for the rest of his life. Calvin gave that horse the ideal trip and put him in a spot where he could win. If it wasn't for Calvin they would probably be on the way back to Sunland park.
As far as his kentucky Derby wins, I disagree with you. Those were two money rides he gave both times he's won the derby. One with a favorite and one with a bomb. He proved that he's a big game jock and he should have mounts in that race for years to come. He will have another chance at TC down the road. But right now he has a chance to go into the books with a filly that might eventually be considered a legend one day.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Come on Stan, it's not like he's jumping off a horse that was even considered a contender for the Kentucky Derby, let alone the triple crown. Reguardless of whichever horse Borel ends up on, the Mine that Bord people should be indebted to Calvin for the rest of his life. Calvin gave that horse the ideal trip and put him in a spot where he could win. If it wasn't for Calvin they would probably be on the way back to Sunland park.
As far as his kentucky Derby wins, I disagree with you. Those were two money rides he gave both times he's won the derby. One with a favorite and one with a bomb. He proved that he's a big game jock and he should have mounts in that race for years to come. He will have another chance at TC down the road. But right now he has a chance to go into the books with a filly that might eventually be considered a legend one day.

let's all not forget, Calvin had no mount in the derby, and would have had no ride if not for them. look at the money,prestige of 2nd derby they gave him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

lol
he sells out the bird people? he got them a derby win. gimme a break. why should he stay on a horse because he lucked out and won, knowing the chances of him repeating that performance while the rest of fields tanks again are incredibly slim?
live for the tc....

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

Well they sell the horse out from under him, he has a shot to win triple crown(yes i said a shot not sure thing). MTB people trusted in him and he got another Derby under his belt, A triple Crown Bid and he sells out the Bird people, i'm disappointed he didn't stick by his guns and stay on Bird. The filly is great but it's a matter of principle. Has any jockey in history come off a horse by choice who was alive for TC? Borel will live to regret this no matter how many he wins with RA. Cheap shot by him, but i know it's a business, but TC try means more to me than riding a Super Filly. He may never get another shot @ TC and besides, those two derby rides he won i think he's no better than many other jockeys. Calvin Borel no class and a sell-out imo.

Borel's been riding Rachel since last November - 5 races, her entire stakes-winning streak - while the Derby ride on Mine that Bird was essentially a pick-up mount; he'd never ridden the horse before. I doubt he had a multi-race contract with the MTB people, who didn't even expect to win the Derby. Emotionally, he is clearly more involved with the filly; he believes she is something very special and wants to stay with her on her ride to immortality. He is not double-crossing anybody; he is making a decision which he is entitled to make as he sees fit.

[CSC]

I have a feeling the new Jockey for MTB will be either Mike Smith(if you haven't been living under a rock) or Jeremy Rose.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by CSC

I have a feeling the new Jockey for MTB will be either Mike Smith(if you haven't been living under a rock) or Jeremy Rose.

I think they would have a shot with Rose.Smith would blow it,and so would Chantal{Nudge nudge}

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Just curious, say Rachel goes on to win the Preakness. You still think Borel will regret the decision?

not right away,because the money and hoopla around him will keep him on a natural high, but deep inside he know's doing this to people who seeked you out and trusted their plans in you, and to give up a TC bid? If RA wins preakness then so what, she is expected to and no big deal. What happens if she loses and MTD pulls it off, he will never live it down and will be know more for that mistake. A loss trying for TC is better than a win or loss on RA.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

A loss trying for the triple crown on an animal he feels is inferior is better than a win in the same race? Isn't the goal to win the race? Rachel winning the Preakness would be no big deal? How many fillies have won the race?

Jockeys riding different horses happens everyday. You act like he's been on Mine That Bird since a 2 year old. he rode him one race. This is a business plain and simple. Maybe riding for Rachel for Asmussen gets him more mounts in the future for Asmussen. Should Casey Lambert be upset the connections of Mine That Bird chose Borel over him in the Derby?

da hoss when was the last time the derby winner didn't have his winning jock on him in the preakness?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by gales0678

da hoss when was the last time the derby winner didn't have his winning jock on him in the preakness?

I read it was 1945 and Hoop Jr.

[mark2061mn]

Originally Posted by gales0678

da hoss when was the last time the derby winner didn't have his winning jock on him in the preakness?

From the DRF:

No jockey has ever taken off a Derby winner to ride a different horse in the Preakness. The last time a jockey abandoned a Derby winner for his next race was in 1985, when Angel Cordero Jr. gave up a mount on Spend a Buck in the Jersey Derby in order to ride Track Barron in the Metropolitan Handicap the same day. In 1945, Eddie Arcaro won the Derby on Hoop Jr., but Al Snider rode Hoop Jr. one week later in the Preakness, when Arcaro opted to ride that day at Belmont Park.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't know, I asked the question yesterday and it's been asked about 10 times since then. Certainly an insider such as yourself understands the way this game works. You do what you can to win. People are acting like Borel owes these people something. He doesn't.

i do understand it's business and Borel has to think of no 1, but i'm old school and a deal is a deal, because the original owners sold herBorel should have stayed with MTD, and the owners did'nt care if Asmussen uses Borel or not.

[sdjcom]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What deal? By riding MTB in the Derby, did he agree to ride him forever?

come on Hoss he had no mount, he agreeds to ride in derby gets his win and now wants to bale out on their chance for a TC ? To ride a so-called sure thing in RA? he has no commitment to new owners when filly was sold

[IrishofNDMan]

This may sound stupid because the value of the preakness, but what are the chances that someone says screw JJ for buying RA and does whatever they can do to ensure that RA has a hell of a time winning the preakness, kind of what they did to Smarty Jones.