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Old 05-03-2009, 09:37 PM
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I haven't had the time to read all 300+ posts in this thread, I may have missed one or two...the rail was a good spot, obvious enough. Has anyone mentioned the winning margin was 6 3/4 lengths. Let's just say 7 lengths. So if Mine The bird doesn't get the rail trip, he still wins by 2 anyway fair and square, maybe this horse should get more credit than what he has gotten thus far. But the margin of victory may have clouded some by dismissing this as a throwout race.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:48 PM
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I haven't had the time to read all 300+ posts in this thread, I may have missed one or two...the rail was a good spot, obvious enough. Has anyone mentioned the winning margin was 6 3/4 lengths. Let's just say 7 lengths. So if Mine The bird doesn't get the rail trip, he still wins by 2 anyway fair and square, maybe this horse should get more credit than what he has gotten thus far. But the margin of victory may have clouded some by dismissing this as a throwout race.
You can check up to 190 to see if this has been covered,after that I am pretty sure it hasn't.
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:55 PM
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If you want to read some REALLY interesting stuff you should take a gander at TGH's post derby explanations...."Ask The Experts".

TGJB or Jerry...."On Friday CD had a meeting with all of the trainers to go over the change in testing from the previous year as the lab for 2008 did not do blood testing for Bute among a number of other's. One trainer in the room got very agitated and started to ask a lot of questions....

....he says further......"maybe the result this year is more about an ABSENCE of medication this year as much as it is underperformance." or close to that.

You don't have to be Perry Mason or Columbo or Kojak or ...fill in ancient detective series of your choice, to figure out whom Mr Brown would like to see brought to justice more than any other trainer. You don't suppose JM would scratch a horse because he was fearful of another medication violation do you........nahhh!! I'm sure someone besides the connections and personal hired hand vet saw IWR in pain and fluctuant in the ankle right!!!......Of course he would never do that!!

The thread is from today and about MTB..
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Old 05-03-2009, 09:59 PM
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If you want to read some REALLY interesting stuff you should take a gander at TGH's post derby explanations...."Ask The Experts".

TGJB or Jerry...."On Friday CD had a meeting with all of the trainers to go over the change in testing from the previous year as the lab for 2008 did not do blood testing for Bute among a number of other's. One trainer in the room got very agitated and started to ask a lot of questions....

....he says further......"maybe the result this year is more about an ABSENCE of medication this year as much as it is underperformance." or close to that.

You don't have to be Perry Mason or Columbo or Kojak or ...fill in ancient detective series of your choice, to figure out whom Mr Brown would like to see brought to justice more than any other trainer. You don't suppose JM would scratch a horse because he was fearful of another medication violation do you........nahhh!! I'm sure someone besides the connections and personal hired hand vet saw IWR in pain and fluctuant in the ankle right!!!......Of course he would never do that!!

The thread is from today and about MTB..
hmmm hmmm

interesting post.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:14 PM
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hmmm hmmm

interesting post.

If any fraction of this is true it shows once again what a disadvantage the player is at......there's no way to prove that JM scratched because of this but what a story.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:28 PM
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You don't suppose JM would scratch a horse because he was fearful of another medication violation do you........nahhh!! I'm sure someone besides the connections and personal hired hand vet saw IWR in pain and fluctuant in the ankle right!!!......Of course he would never do that!!

The thread is from today and about MTB..
I thought the horse was scratched by the state vet. He trotted sound, but was grade one lame on the left front ankle flexion test.

Regarding the blood testing, this year Churchill said they were supertesting (not doing just their normal tests) and freezing blood for future reference, too.

Edit: changing the medication rules via surprise on the trainers Friday morning could readily piss someone off, just for that fact alone.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:38 PM
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lol who picked Hatton, someone must of watched too much 24/7
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:08 PM
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Regarding the blood testing, this year Churchill said they were supertesting (not doing just their normal tests) and freezing blood for future reference, too.
Do they have superheroes doing the supertestings? Fire up the Batmobile, there is trouble after the Gotham.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:34 PM
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I haven't read this whole thread.

It was quite a performance.

Shouldn't we be talking triple crown?
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:34 AM
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I'm serious. Just think. Before this race, we were all talking about what a great 3yo crop we had. Is it no longer good because Mine That Bird beat them? Sure, it could be a fluke, but then again, this horse could be special. I certainly would not discount him.
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Old 05-04-2009, 07:50 AM
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I'm serious. Just think. Before this race, we were all talking about what a great 3yo crop we had. Is it no longer good because Mine That Bird beat them? Sure, it could be a fluke, but then again, this horse could be special. I certainly would not discount him.

the three best horses in the crop weren't in the race. a lot of people had their capping fly out the window when IWR scratched. that race was wide open after the defections, and the piling on by other horses.

i doubt the horse is special. he'll turn out to be a go for gin, a gato del sol.
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