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Old 04-30-2009, 07:44 PM
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What ya think Chuck.......would the worst team Russell ever played on beat both of these teams by 20?....
I will answer.
HELL NO.

The Celts got those championships when a grand total of
8 teams existed. And the sport was NOT close to fully integrated.
Participation was horribly low compared to today.
Russell would play today, as would Oscar.
But some of the other guys...

Jerry Flippn West barely ever used his left hand on the dribble.
Go back and watch that old stuff. Some of it was quite
pitiful. Jerry could shoot the heck out of the ball though.
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Old 04-30-2009, 07:48 PM
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Personally I have enjoyed the Portland/Houston series more.
Primarily because the teams are better.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:51 PM
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Personally I have enjoyed the Portland/Houston series more.
Primarily because the teams are better.
I humbly ask permission to change my mind...

These games have been incredibly competitive
no matter the level.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:55 PM
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Doc could screw up a free blowjob from a Victoria's Secret model on his birthday.

Big Baby is part of a lineup that turns a 12-point deficit into an 8-point lead in about six minutes, so what does he do? TAKE HIM OUT AND PUT IN TONY ALLEN, who doesn't know his ass from his elbow on offense. Unfathomable incompetence. It's like he got a call from the league saying 'we need this thing to go 7'.

If they lose this game, and eventually the series, Doc should be freaking thrown off a roof (a low one).
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:16 PM
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Salmons is driving at will to the hole.
Garnett gone has allowed the Bulls
way too many easy shots provided they
get penetration.
It really is going both ways. If you
get to the basket, no problem fearing
a block.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:27 PM
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How did the C's not close out this thing at the end of regulation...awful.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:08 PM
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How did the C's not close out this thing at the end of regulation...awful.
Tony Allen in the game instead of Big Baby, who's been f.ucking absurdly good this series. Doc is a motherf.ucking moron.
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Old 05-01-2009, 09:27 AM
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Doc could screw up a free blowjob from a Victoria's Secret model on his birthday.

Big Baby is part of a lineup that turns a 12-point deficit into an 8-point lead in about six minutes, so what does he do? TAKE HIM OUT AND PUT IN TONY ALLEN, who doesn't know his ass from his elbow on offense. Unfathomable incompetence. It's like he got a call from the league saying 'we need this thing to go 7'.

If they lose this game, and eventually the series, Doc should be freaking thrown off a roof (a low one).
And he is about 2 levels ahead of Vinny Del Stupido

And the refs have been consistently poor

This is a close, entertaining series but it hasnt exactly been a basketball masterpiece,
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Old 05-01-2009, 10:47 AM
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And he is about 2 levels ahead of Vinny Del Stupido.
Couldn't agree more.
Vinny is terrible.
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:51 AM
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Couldn't agree more.
Vinny is terrible.
I had heard from a couple of Bulls fans that Vinny was overmatched but thought they may just being too harsh. After watching his work this series they couldnt be more right.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:01 PM
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I will answer.
HELL NO.

The Celts got those championships when a grand total of
8 teams existed. And the sport was NOT close to fully integrated.
Participation was horribly low compared to today.
Russell would play today, as would Oscar.
But some of the other guys...

Jerry Flippn West barely ever used his left hand on the dribble.
Go back and watch that old stuff. Some of it was quite
pitiful. Jerry could shoot the heck out of the ball though.
Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:08 PM
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Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.
Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:34 PM
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Bill Sharman
Bob Cousy
Tom Heinsohn
Jim Loscutoff
Bill Russell
Jack Nichols
Frank Ramsey
Dick Hemric
Arnie Risen
Andy Phillip
Lou Tsioropoulos
Togo Palazzi

Are you frggn kiddn.
How many of these guys you want besides Cousy and Russell?
This is an old man joke.
BTW, how many blacks on this Championship team?
You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:41 PM
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:41 PM
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This is so ridiculous right now. I gotta be up at 1am. LETS GO BULLS!!! End this ish..
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:46 PM
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You really never heard of KC or Sam Jones, Satch Sanders to name a few. All legit Hall of Fame players. All black by the way.....where is Chuck when I need him
Of course I have.
Just look at the teams content.
There is no way anyone can say the best athletes
were out there. There may have been one of
those old championship Celtic teams, maybe with 5 black guys and
9 white guys. That was about it.

The team I posted... Bill Russell, thats it.
The only black.

And if Cannon agrees that the skill level and
athleticism is the same... He wont. Some were still
shooting two handed set shots with hands on opposite poles
of the ball. It was legitmately awful stuff compared to today.

Really it is terribly difficult to compare though,
because the rules are so different.

Great game tonight though.
Maybe I should say crazy game.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:55 PM
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LOL..Noah actually made a play.
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Old 04-30-2009, 10:05 PM
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"I LIKEYA OUTFIT"= horse named for JOEY
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Old 04-30-2009, 08:16 PM
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Oh PLEASE......

Yes watch those old games where the ball never hits the ground from end to end leading to a layup. When defense actually meant running end to end rather than the walk and isolated two on two BS the NBA has become.

NEWS FLASH........

Less teams in a sport means deeper teams and better talent per man. Integration????........Please pick another subject to make your argument.

Russell, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robinson, Wilt and many more were damn good two way players in most cases who were every bit the players these kids are today. The NBA has seen much better times than now....we can debate whether the SHowtime Lakers or Bird's Celtics or Issah's Piston's were better than both of these teams but this product on the floor now is well below the games of the 60's and early 70's of the NBA that saw Cousy, Sam and KC. Team play of this NBA in 2009 has never been close to those teams. Seeing it live is not the same as watching the talkies.......those old men could play.
The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:45 PM
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The rules are also completely diff.
Teams must shoot the ball within 23 seconds.
What is the most efficient way to do that?
Russell could just stand in the lane all he wanted on D.
It is absolutely ridiculous to compare the Defense or offense
when the rules are entirely different.

Seriously. The skill level is not even close to the same.
Now if you go Bird/Magic era, heck yes, but not the late
50's early 60's... there is just no way, its not close to the
same game, Athletically or skill level.
A few truths before the 3rd OT......

The shot clock came into the league for the 1954-55 season...

Russell and KC Jones were winning NCAA national championships in 54 and 55

Russell had a shot clock his whole career in 1956 on.......the Celts were actually the leaders of the black player roster breakthrough....the city was and still is the most racist northern city in america which is what I remeber growing up there then
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