Synthetic to Dirt 'Improvers'

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm trying to formulate a list of horses who would fit the I Want Revenge model. Aside from IWR, are there any recent (as in past year or so) synthetic-to-dirt horses who improved dramatically when switching to dirt? I'm drawing a blank...

Bob Black Jack

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Intangaroo

[ezgoerbaby]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Bob Black Jack

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Intangaroo

Ginger Punch?? Hystericalady??

[lemoncrush]

Are we talking about horses who ran on dirt first, and then didn't run well on synthetic? That's the case for many of the examples people have mentioned above. Ginger Punch, Indian Blessing, etc...

I think the point of the thread was to list horses who were strictly synthetic horses as they started their career, and then improved dramatically when switched to dirt. Not to list dirt horses who didn't care for synthetics.

[robfla]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Bob Black Jack

didnt he set a world record on synth?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Bob Black Jack was beaten 32 lengths in the Derby in his only dirt start.

More a matter of distance probably.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Lawyer Ron lost a pair of maiden claiming races on synethetic and exploded on the dirt to a dominant MSW win at 7/1.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Bob Black Jack was beaten 32 lengths in the Derby in his only dirt start.

More a matter of distance probably.

I have the wrong horse then, who won the sprint race the fall of 07' at Belmont. Got like a 118, went from like 100 on syn to 118 if I remember.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Black Seventeen? He was '08 though.

thx, I knew black was in there.

[Travis Stone]

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

Most are on the pace runners. The closers seem more likely to just be turf horses that take to the synthetics.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Thanks all. Basically I'm trying to look into charecteristics or common traits amongst horses who struggled on synthetics but improved in noteworthy fashion to dirt. Do they have a visual trait common amongst them? Or.... etc.

Glad you brought this up cause it ties in with some MAJOR research I've been doing lately. And, I do mean MAJOR: 50 years worth of races in my SUPER DUPER Database.

My starting point is the most INTEGRAL, IMPORTANT, and IMPOSING concept in the history of horse racing: THE BOUNCE.

My data shows that those horses that never BOUNCE in their racing career are those most apt to run on ANY surface. Of course, once they bounce, this all goes out the window. There's the 'common trait'.

[CSC]

Acoma broke her Mdn at Keeneland and then won 2 straight at CD, one that included the Dogwood Stks.

[jrajf]

I beklieve that move up was on an off track?

[smuthg]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

who is the filly that Zenyatta was drubbing all year long last year that won at Belmont?

Tough Tiz's Sis?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by smuthg

Tough Tiz's Sis?

yea thats it