Interesting Developments

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Pioneer of the Nile is a turf/synthetic horse who barely beat dirt horses on a surface they didn't particularly care for....but will drown him on their preferred surface ( and his least favorite surface ) in a few weeks.

What are you basing this on? The fact that he's never run on dirt, or the fact that he's bred to like dirt?

[Hoist Her Flag]

Im still waiting to find that synthetic horse that hates dirt. It's the other way around. The West Coast horses are just better this year. And the poly is better conditioning. Well Armed by 14 enough said.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag

Im still waiting to find that synthetic horse that hates dirt. It's the other way around. The West Coast horses are just better this year. And the poly is better conditioning. Well Armed by 14 enough said.

hahahahahahahahahaha

[Danzig]

seems a couple horses from out west last year didn't do so well on poly, ran ok on dirt, but still didn't make much of a dent in kentucky. gayego immediately leaps to mind. seems like some of the horses pyro beat up on last year in LA had success elsewhere. pyro of course fell on his face in ky, and hasn't done much since then to redeem himself-so that should rule out giving much weight to friesan fire. and yes, i know it's a new year. i also know he hasn't run past 1 1/16th, and is taking a seven week breather before the derby. i'm not so sure both those moves can be overcome, along with a 20 horse field.

as for what a horse is bred for-all you can really say for sure is that they're bred to run. some of course do it faster than others. other than that, until they try a surface, it's all conjecture. i wouldn't bet one red cent at the derby on pioneerofthenile fwiw. the 10f distance and large field are the only two new things these horses should face that day.



and as for how well armed finished in dubai, that's just hilarious. he's not much, and didn't face much. the fact he's the top rated dirt horse in the world is a riot.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Danzig

seems a couple horses from out west last year didn't do so well on poly, ran ok on dirt, but still didn't make much of a dent in kentucky. gayego immediately leaps to mind. seems like some of the horses pyro beat up on last year in LA had success elsewhere. pyro of course fell on his face in ky, and hasn't done much since then to redeem himself-so that should rule out giving much weight to friesan fire. and yes, i know it's a new year. i also know he hasn't run past 1 1/16th, and is taking a seven week breather before the derby. i'm not so sure both those moves can be overcome, along with a 20 horse field.

I'm not sure using any comparison to last year's crop is wise as they were extremely weak overall.

The dirt/synth debate could go on all night and never get anywhere. It's extremely horse specific in my opinion. Lumping all synth winners into turfers is dangerous, and visa-versa.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm not sure using any comparison to last year's crop is wise as they were extremely weak overall.

The dirt/synth debate could go on all night and never get anywhere. It's extremely horse specific in my opinion. Lumping all synth winners into turfers is dangerous, and visa-versa.

my only real comparison to last year is to say that a horse can look strong in the preps, only to bomb in may-and perhaps ever after (such as in pyros case).

as for the other, you have to take each horse on its own. some like one surface, some like multiple surfaces obviously. i know wait a while was good on turf, but hated synthetics-so of course you can't automatically assume anything. but it's my thought that only the best horses are versatile and can/will handle multiple surfaces and emerge victorious.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

hahahahahahahahahaha

well said.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Hoist Her Flag

Im still waiting to find that synthetic horse that hates dirt. It's the other way around. The West Coast horses are just better this year. And the poly is better conditioning. Well Armed by 14 enough said.

While I prefer Hockey's response....I will give you a few off the top of my head.....Adriano, Monba and Cowboy Cal.

Better conditioning? See Hockey's previous response.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

While I prefer Hockey's response....I will give you a few off the top of my head.....Adriano, Monba and Cowboy Cal.

Better conditioning? See Hockey's previous response.

How about adding Go Between to that list as well.
Student Council, too?

[lemoncrush]

Papa Clem's victory recalled visions of Gayego last year in an awful field.
And the Bluegrass is quickly becoming a joke. General Quarters will be no more of a factor on Derby day and beyond than the last two winners of that race (Monba and Dominican).

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by justindew

What are you basing this on? The fact that he's never run on dirt, or the fact that he's bred to like dirt?

My sig. courtesy of BTW, explains it all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

My sig. courtesy of BTW, explains it all.

I couldn't have said it better myself.


Wait a minute......

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I couldn't have said it better myself.


Wait a minute......

The true shocker of the day... the buffet in the Equestris Room was outstanding today.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by philcski

The true shocker of the day... the buffet in the Equestris Room was outstanding today.

But not nearly as good as the Oxtail I had from the West Indian Food stand.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

But not nearly as good as the Oxtail I had from the West Indian Food stand.

You're a brave man.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

You're a brave man.

Are you kidding me? The best food in the place.....no doubt.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

But not nearly as good as the Oxtail I had from the West Indian Food stand.

Love the beef patties there.

Oxtail... you're more exotic than I.