building a religion

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm not one who said romney wasn't a viable candidate. i was using him as an example to illustrate that catholics are not the only ones seeing criticisms of their religion.

and no, catholics do not agree with all the churches teachings-read any subject in which the catholic church weighs in, and you'll see that not all members agree~ the subjects of pre-marital sex, abortion rights, same sex marriage, and birth control for starters.

Dell's point was that criticizing his religion was the only one it's P.C. to criticize. If that's true(highly questionable,) my point is that it's mainly because the members of that religion often agree with the criticisms of it.

The two examples you gave aren't (to me) examples that are considered P.C.

"people put down muslims all the time, they're all violent, christian killing zealots you know."

1) I don't think it's P.C. (I do it, but I don't think most others consider it P.C.)
2) If people do it, then, they usually do it because their Prophet encouraged beating women, or encouraged killing non-believers (like wanting to kick the Jews into the Sea.)

"mitt romney was dismissed as being a viable candidate because he's a mormon-of course, that's not a 'real' religion."

1) Again, I don't think this type of statement is considered P.C. by most others.
2) I think they are more apt to be disliked for trying to mess with the Politics in states they aren't living in (anti-Gay Marriage Amendment etc.,) or for laws like the ones they have about alcohol purchases. Maybe in the South, a lot of people think it's a cult religion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Dell's point was that criticizing his religion was the only one it's P.C. to criticize. If that's true(highly questionable,) my point is that it's mainly because the members of that religion often agree with the criticisms of it.

The two examples you gave aren't (to me) examples that are considered P.C.

"people put down muslims all the time, they're all violent, christian killing zealots you know."

1) I don't think it's P.C. (I do it, but I don't think most others consider it P.C.)
2) If people do it, then, they usually do it because their Prophet encouraged beating women, or encouraged killing non-believers (like wanting to kick the Jews into the Sea.)

"mitt romney was dismissed as being a viable candidate because he's a mormon-of course, that's not a 'real' religion."

1) Again, I don't think this type of statement is considered P.C. by most others.
2) I think they are more apt to be disliked for trying to mess with the Politics in states they aren't living in (anti-Gay Marriage Amendment etc.,) or for laws like the ones they have about alcohol purchases. Maybe in the South, a lot of people think it's a cult religion.

i just disagree that it's only catholics who get criticized. and i do agree that it's members of the church who partake in the criticizing. there are high profile democrats who probably add to the mix, since they are very vocal about not agreeing with their churches teachings.

[GBBob]

I'll tread lightly here...but the thing about religion in general that gets me..is that they all think they are right!!..

So...assuming ANY of them are "right"...that means all the others are wrong...Isn't that hilarious? I can't imagine putting my life principals and in some cases, forcing them on others, when there is a 90% chance that I am wrong. Religion should be a highly personal, faith based preference...so why do they insist on infringing on other's territory?

[Danzig]

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." ~Thomas Jefferson


"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."~The Dalai Lama


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."~Seneca



"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites." ~Thomas Jefferson


"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."~The Dalai Lama


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."~Seneca



"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate

[herkhorse]

I love religion, it's to die for.

Originally Posted by Danzig

"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness."~The Dalai Lama

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."~Seneca

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion." ~Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate

Physics guy at Texas.
What would he know.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I'll tread lightly here...but the thing about religion in general that gets me..is that they all think they are right!!..

So...assuming ANY of them are "right"...that means all the others are wrong...Isn't that hilarious? I can't imagine putting my life principals and in some cases, forcing them on others, when there is a 90% chance that I am wrong. Religion should be a highly personal, faith based preference...so why do they insist on infringing on other's territory?

Well, fear of the unknown(death) is one reason. I know why they bother others so much. It's Double Points:

1)They help their maker turn a heathen into something of worth. They get points.

2) They save you (cuz you aren't smart enough to help yourself.) They get you some points.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, fear of the unknown(death) is one reason. I know why they bother others so much. It's Double Points:

1)They help their maker turn a heathen into something of worth. They get points.

2) They save you (cuz you aren't smart enough to help yourself.) They get you some points.

One of my best friends is soft "born again"...he has dedicated himself to Christ and says that I will go to hell if I don't. So, I ask...if Manson dedicates himself to Christ, he's cool?

Yup...

and he prays for me every Sunday

Originally Posted by GBBob

One of my best friends is soft "born again"...he has dedicated himself to Christ and says that I will go to hell if I don't. So, I ask...if Manson dedicates himself to Christ, he's cool?

Yup...

and he prays for me every Sunday

My cousin is like this.
Just take his cell phone and ask
him where God is on his call list
since he has got all the answers.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

My Brother n' his wife are this way. She's eating herself into the grave, and he's not far behind. Since they moved to Phoenix(about 10 years ago,) they just started blowing up.

[AeWingnut]

I mentioned the lottery numbers to someone yesterday and they said, "same thing happened after Bush was elected"

Wow... what an Opologist. Someone commits a crime -
just accuse the other guy of committing the same crime and now everything is equal.

I don't have the numbers for all 50 states but we'll look at Hellinois
Lottery numbers the day after Bush won

11/09/2000 Evening Pick 3 2-4-8
11/09/2000 Evening Pick 4 4-2-3-6
11/09/2000 Little Lotto 03-10-12-14-19
11/09/2000 Midday Pick 3 2-3-2
11/09/2000 Midday Pick 4 8-2-1-8

11/03/2004 Evening Pick 3 4-4-3
11/03/2004 Evening Pick 4 3-2-0-5
11/03/2004 Little Lotto 09-19-22-34-36
11/03/2004 Lotto 11-12-16-42-45-49
11/03/2004 Midday Pick 3 3-0-2
11/03/2004 Midday Pick 4 8-0-3-4

oh yeah
exactly the same