NCAA Tournament Playalong Thread

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who was playing PG when Arenas plays? Arenas. What position has Iverson played most of his career and where did he play in Denver? PG. Baron Davis is on the Clippers. You wouldnt like basketball either if you played there. And that list wasnt a ranking, just off the top of my head.

Tim Duncan is a center...
Uhhh power forward.

Then I think we probably need to take into account that
some teams play without PGs.
Washington and Denver played without PG's when Arenas
and Iverson handle the ball more than anyone else.
Maybe we just have very diff. definitions.

A thought enters my head while watching the Thunder
vs. Spurs.
What if the Thunder get Griffin?
The talent on that team...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Tim Duncan is a center...
Uhhh power forward.

Then I think we probably need to take into account that
some teams play without PGs.
Washington and Denver played without PG's when Arenas
and Iverson handle the ball more than anyone else.
Maybe we just have very diff. definitions.

A thought enters my head while watching the Thunder
vs. Spurs.
What if the Thunder get Griffin?
The talent on that team...

They may not fit the classic definition of PG's but they handle the ball more than anyone else and the offense is run by them and often through them. They are both unique players that may be detrimental to the overall success of their teams because they dont fit the traditional roles which makes it harder to fill in the spots around them. Iverson and a ball controlling Point guard would not work because he doesnt work as well without the ball. Doesnt mean he isnt a better player than Raymond Felton. I mean how can we even be having this conversation?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They may not fit the classic definition of PG's but they handle the ball more than anyone else and the offense is run by them and often through them. They are both unique players that may be detrimental to the overall success of their teams because they dont fit the traditional roles which makes it harder to fill in the spots around them. Iverson and a ball controlling Point guard would not work because he doesnt work as well without the ball. Doesnt mean he isnt a better player than Raymond Felton. I mean how can we even be having this conversation?

Because you're obviously missing the entire f.ucking point. No one said he isn't a better player than Felton, BUT HE'S NOT A BETTER POINT GUARD BECAUSE HE'S NOT A F.UCKING POINT GUARD.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Because you're obviously missing the entire f.ucking point. No one said he isn't a better player than Felton, BUT HE'S NOT A BETTER POINT GUARD BECAUSE HE'S NOT A F.UCKING POINT GUARD.

Oh but he is a better PG than Felton and that isnt even his primary position. When was the last time you saw Felton play?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oh but he is a better PG than Felton and that isnt even his primary position. When was the last time you saw Felton play?

This from the guy that just said he can never watch a Bobcats game all the way through.

Holy f.uck. We're talking about pure point guards and you're trying to tell me that whatever percentage of Iverson that's a point guard is better than 100% of certain other point guards. Awesome. I think James Posey is a better 2, 3 and 4 than half the league. YEAH, BUT HE PLAYS ALL 3 POSITIONS!!!

This s.hit is like saying Edgar Martinez is a better third baseman than Adrian Beltre.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This from the guy that just said he can never watch a Bobcats game all the way through.

Holy f.uck. We're talking about pure point guards and you're trying to tell me that whatever percentage of Iverson that's a point guard is better than 100% of certain other point guards. Awesome. I think James Posey is a better 2, 3 and 4 than half the league. YEAH, BUT HE PLAYS ALL 3 POSITIONS!!!

This s.hit is like saying Edgar Martinez is a better third baseman than Adrian Beltre.

Oh now we are talking about PURE point guards. Ok. You win. Whatever!

Have you ever watched any Bobcats game? If you have you would understand why they arent a compelling watch.

And the E Martinez analogy isnt fitting because baseball has defined positions where the NBA doesnt. And E. Martinez is a so much better hitter that even his iron glove wouldnt tilt the advantage to Adrain Beltroid.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They may not fit the classic definition of PG's but they handle the ball more than anyone else and the offense is run by them and often through them. They are both unique players that may be detrimental to the overall success of their teams because they dont fit the traditional roles which makes it harder to fill in the spots around them. Iverson and a ball controlling Point guard would not work because he doesnt work as well without the ball. Doesnt mean he isnt a better player than Raymond Felton. I mean how can we even be having this conversation?

I dont watch Felton enough.
I was not referring to him, just categorizing
the position.

As far as the positions in the NBA,
I think they are bit like soccer.
Attacking midfielder v. a defensive minded midfielder.
Some things dont fit into nice categories is all I am saying.
And you seem to be saying the same thing.

And how dare you not appreciate how well the Spurs
defended Lebron. They totally frustrated him. It was
a thing of beauty. Im sorry if he did not get to dunk the ball.

Your penance:

Three Hail Mary's and an I love Tim Duncan.
Right now mister.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I dont watch Felton enough.
I was not referring to him, just categorizing
the position.

As far as the positions in the NBA,
I think they are bit like soccer.
Attacking midfielder v. a defensive minded midfielder.
Some things dont fit into nice categories is all I am saying.
And you seem to be saying the same thing.

And how dare you not appreciate how well the Spurs
defended Lebron. They totally frustrated him. It was
a thing of beauty. Im sorry if he did not get to dunk the ball.

Your penance:

Three Hail Mary's and an I love Tim Duncan.
Right now mister.

The cavs are a much better team now that they are paying Eric snow NOT to play. Morty's man Eric Snow. Michigan State a karma play now? Oh yeah they suck.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Have you ever watched any Bobcats game? If you have you would understand why they arent a compelling watch.

This is your last resort in any argument. Implying that the other person has never seen so and so play or that you watch so and so more.

This is exhausting. You win.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

This is your last resort in any argument. Implying that the other person has never seen so and so play or that you watch so and so more.

This is exhausting. You win.

It was a question since you have to go out of your way to watch them since they get zero national coverage. I have seen them play one time this year on league pass and that was because I was up late and it was the last game on. Stop being such a baby. I'm actually watching hockey and have nothing better to do that debate the merits of 2nd rate NBA players that no one but their immediate family cares about.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The cavs are a much better team now

and the Spurs are much worse.

Poor Morton.

Its now a lot more fun watching Lebron not
have to constantly dribble and actually getting to
do things off the ball.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

and the Spurs are much worse.

Poor Morton.

Its now a lot more fun watching Lebron not
have to constantly dribble and actually getting to
do things off the ball.

Spurs losing at home to Thunder....

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Spurs losing at home to Thunder....

and this brings a chance to mention something about
Durant that you do not see in younger players. Or even
Kobe, Lebron, or Dwade.

Durant does not need to dribble or ball fake jab step to
be comfortable with his jumper. Most of these other guys
need a dribble or a ball fake to get the feet set.
Durant is incredible. He has the most beautiful jump shot
no dribble, no ball fake necessary. Beautifully balanced.
So you try ball denial. He goes back door now to the hole.
He can take you off the dribble now. And he is Rip Hamilton-
like with no dribble jump shots curling off screens.

Its all coming together.
I love watching him.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The cavs are a much better team now that they are paying Eric snow NOT to play. Morty's man Eric Snow. Michigan State a karma play now? Oh yeah they suck.

I take it this is a dig at me. They're a karma play because I said they suck? Funny since you had MSU losing to USC in the second round and didn't really take a stand on anything this tournament.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I take it this is a dig at me. They're a karma play because I said they suck? Funny since you had MSU losing to USC in the second round and didn't really take a stand on anything this tournament.

I admit that I hardly watched college bball this year. Said it in another thread where you said that you dont even like the NBA. The only times i saw M St play they were getting killed by UNC and saw them lose to Northwestern. I was leading Steve's radio show tourney through saturday? Does that count?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I admit that I hardly watched college bball this year. Said it in another thread where you said that you dont even like the NBA. The only times i saw M St play they were getting killed by UNC and saw them lose to Northwestern. I was leading Steve's radio show tourney through saturday? Does that count?

No Suton against NC.
Against Northwestern, Suton had 15 pts and
14 rebounds. They took some of their worst loses
while he was injured.

Most of their tough games were against teams
that had a bit more finesse. This MIch St. team clearly
likes to play against teams that think they can
run right over them.

I love Calhoun statement... "they would fit right
in the Big East."

Interpreted:
1. They are a tough team, but we have played many of these
2. They could actually compete in the Big East.

Not terribly high praise imo.