3/28 (GP): Florida Derby (G1); Swale (G2); Appleton (G3)

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

FYI. Quality Road's splits..

:23.3
:23.2 (:47.0-1st half)
:23.3 (:47.0-middle half))
:24.3 (:48.1-2nd half)
:12.2 (:37.0-Final 3f)

Yeah, I mean, that kind of looks like he had a lot left at the end after not-slow early and internal fractions.

I don't know. I can't help but think his win, as strong as it was, was at least slightly aided by the surface. If not, then people calling him a superhorse may not be speaking prematurely. And let's not forget this was his first start around two turns.

[NTamm1215]

I just wanted to throw into the discussion something that's not relevant to these horses going forward. But, wasn't Desormeaux's last ditch flop aboard Theregoesjojo funny? He had given the horse basically no chance to win through the opening six furlongs, so he decided to "check" when "interfered with" wll the while being left behind.

Sometimes I think Desormeaux ought to pay trainers to use him.

NT

[justindew]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I just wanted to throw into the discussion something that's not relevant to these horses going forward. But, wasn't Desormeaux's last ditch flop aboard Theregoesjojo funny? He had given the horse basically no chance to win through the opening six furlongs, so he decided to "check" when "interfered with" wll the while being left behind.

Sometimes I think Desormeaux ought to pay trainers to use him.

NT

The horse is a fast-closing sprinter, but Kent's antics were laughable though not surprising.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by justindew

The horse is a fast-closing sprinter, but Kent's antics were laughable though not surprising.

His 'antics' were smart.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

His 'antics' were smart.

I'm referring to him standing up and acting like he'd been interfered with. Are you?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by justindew

I'm referring to him standing up and acting like he'd been interfered with. Are you?

Yes.. He knew his horse was about done. The top 2 did in fact pinch him off... Why not claim foul and hope the stand doesn't have the best view of it and gets it wrong? Wasn't going to happen in a race like this, but in an everyday situation, had a horse in Jojo's scenario finished better, he might very well get a move-up from the stews. I thought it was pretty cheeky and clever even though it wasn't going to go anywhere. It also endears you to the trainer/owner who know from a move like this that you're thinking about their interests.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Yes.. He knew his horse was about done. The top 2 did in fact pinch him off... Why not claim foul and hope the stand doesn't have the best view of it and gets it wrong? Wasn't going to happen in a race like this, but in an everyday situation, had a horse in Jojo's scenario finished better, he might very well get a move-up from the stews. I thought it was pretty cheeky and clever even though it wasn't going to go anywhere. It also endears you to the trainer/owner who know from a move like this that you're thinking about their interests.

Their interests? Come on Steve.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Yes.. He knew his horse was about done. The top 2 did in fact pinch him off... Why not claim foul and hope the stand doesn't have the best view of it and gets it wrong? Wasn't going to happen in a race like this, but in an everyday situation, had a horse in Jojo's scenario finished better, he might very well get a move-up from the stews. I thought it was pretty cheeky and clever even though it wasn't going to go anywhere. It also endears you to the trainer/owner who know from a move like this that you're thinking about their interests.

What if he had cost the horse 3rd?

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I just wanted to throw into the discussion something that's not relevant to these horses going forward. But, wasn't Desormeaux's last ditch flop aboard Theregoesjojo funny? He had given the horse basically no chance to win through the opening six furlongs, so he decided to "check" when "interfered with" wll the while being left behind.

Sometimes I think Desormeaux ought to pay trainers to use him.

NT

TGJJ got a really nice setup in the FOY, was able to close while saving ground and was guaranteed to be overbet in the Fla. Derby as a result. He's another in a solid list of horses in this crop who will make the Kings Bishop a really good race this year.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by justindew

Yeah, I mean, that kind of looks like he had a lot left at the end after not-slow early and internal fractions.

I don't know. I can't help but think his win, as strong as it was, was at least slightly aided by the surface. If not, then people calling him a superhorse may not be speaking prematurely. And let's not forget this was his first start around two turns.

You're taking another step that I'm not and some other people also are not.

We've all agreed that the track was fast. It was faster than normal, without question. However, you're assuming that because it was fast, that it favored speed. I think. If so, that's where we disagree.

I wish CJ would weigh in because he brought up on the PA hall of fame board that while the numbers were fast his figures had the pace being pretty soft. That explains, in part, how QR seemed to have a ton left at the quarter pole.

What I would grant is that the time had a lot to do with the track, but I don't think the sped up track had much, if anything, to do with Quality Road's victory.

NT