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08-31-2006, 06:22 PM
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Did you know that Cuba's, yes Cuba's, college education is free for everyone? Yet, the United States is the richest country in the world. The federal government has cut down on half the money used for Pell Grants and other aids for college students recently. Do you know why? Because, it has been estimated by the time that these wars (the War on Terror, on Afganistan, and on Iraq) are over with they are going to end up costing a total of 2 trillion dollars. Do you know the good things we could do with two trillion dollars? We could have helped the victims of Katrina, or got the homeless off the streets, or had free health coverage for all...
The United States government, as a whole, doesn't value education at all. Yet, education does run this country. I want you all to think where we would be without those people who have graduated from college. No doctors, no nurses, no scientists, no stock brokers, no computer technicians...etc. Well, we're certainly headed in that direction because it is becomming harder and harder to get an education. Look at the overwhelming shortage of nurses for example. Tuition is rising and federal aid programs are being completely cut or drastically reduced. Without education, we would not be industrialized. Therefore, we would most likely be under the rule of a dictator. We are living in the jungle folks. Yes, the jungle. These are "dangerous and challenging times". It's called capitalism, and it is going to be what inevitably destroys us; "everyone looking out for themselves" and "everone in competition with one another." There is no sense of community here. "It's do onto others before they do onto you" or "looking out for number one." When Americans' tax money goes into giving others a so-called "free ride" that benefits society as a whole, they get angry. We should be helping others, not trying to beat them. The way we are living now reminds me of Thomas Hobb's "state of nature" theory, only more civil. Members of a society are "killing" and "hurting" the other members of that same society financially. This empire, like all great empires, will inevitably fall too. Quite frankly, I would much rather my tax money be spent on education than going to wars that we can't win. You can't FORCE democracy upon another country! Just look at Iraq. Hussein was a terrible person and a tyrant indeed, but he controlled those people over there. It wasn't in chaotic ruins like it is now. You didn't have bombs killing hundreds and thousands of people . A firm dictatorship was the only thing that worked for them. The reason that democracy won't be established in Iraq is because some of the people don't want it as they have displayed by planting explosive devices in churches and on streets. How do you beat suicide bombers? Also, Iraq is not industrialized and is in economic ruins. It has been proven time and time again throughout history, that democracy can't and won't be established until the largest class of people are the middle class in terms of economic standing. Therefore, education, wealth, cars, radios, and businesses must first be well established throughout the people. Iraq will only become a democracy when it is ready too, not because the White House thinks that it can force it. Yes, I would rather my money go to the homeless, or to those who risk there lives serving our country, or the widows and children of those who lost their lives serving this country, or to natural disaster aid programs than into the pockets of greedy Congressmen that said, "Iraq needs democracy!" Yeah, right. I have a message to the White House, "Not very many Americans are buying into that anymore." Wouldn't having more people who were college educated benefit society as a whole? It's just something to think about. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 08-31-2006 at 06:48 PM. 
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08-31-2006, 06:54 PM
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08-31-2006, 07:01 PM
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Jessica, that's a good post. And I would never want to keep anyone from a good education. But a totally free ride isn't the answer. Or do you think everything is just swell down in Cuba? There's a lot to be said for good faith money. You will put greater value on an education you've worked for over an education that was just handed to you. There is a middle ground that will be the most beneficial.
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08-31-2006, 07:31 PM
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I guess I should have clarified when I said that I agreed with her that I like the ideas behind it, NOT that cuba and it's dictatorship is the way to go. Socialist/communist states allow access to free education but do not offer an unbiased education. The difference is important. still it's a good post.
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08-31-2006, 07:43 PM
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08-31-2006, 07:47 PM
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08-31-2006, 07:47 PM
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08-31-2006, 07:36 PM
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No, not everything is swell in Cuba. The U.S. has had an economic blockade on Cuba for decades because Cubais a big threat to us. Their taxes are high and their property is high, but education and health coverage are free. Their literacy rate is 99%. Ours is 92%. I agree that the way Cuba does things wouldn't work here in the U.S. and that the U.S. is a better country overall. For one we are a democracy. Yet, the U.S. may could learn a few things from Cuba. I never implied that we should be like Cuba. I just stated the fact that they have free education and high taxes. Last edited by kentuckyrosesinmay : 08-31-2006 at 07:45 PM.
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08-31-2006, 07:56 PM
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"you didn't have bombs killing hundreds and thousands of people" - Jessica Your right hun....Saddam killed PLENTY more than hundreds or thousands that didn't agree with him....10,000+ at the hands of one man. "A firm dictartorship was the only thing that worked for them" - Jessica You call that "working for them"????.....ooooooooookay. Stick with all your horse conformation stuff, or judging, or whatever....cause politics...it ain't your thing kiddo.
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08-31-2006, 08:00 PM
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08-31-2006, 08:05 PM
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08-31-2006, 08:08 PM
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how bout them slots
 just shakin it up a little there has been some great conversation on this thread and i am glad it has stayed civil all thru. some great intellectual conversations amoungst men and women alike, i think i mispelled something and i am too tired to use caps lock right now fyi 
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