Mark Jackson and Van Gundy...

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Originally Posted by pgardn

I think it is more the wow factor than being white.
Nash made some incredible passes and clutch plays. Really, when you
look at the playoff games they lost, Nash was one of the few
that did not choke on those Phoenix teams(when not hurt). Nash is clearly way beyond his peak imo... so its kinda easy to diss him now.

John Stockton's assists were as numerous as Nash, they just
were not as flashy. I also think Nash snuck in at the right times for MVP.

You like like Marion much more than I ever did. He put up great numbers, but in the playoffs, it was a pleasure to see him on the floor against the Spurs. Marion is a big time choke imo.

I also think the black/white thing goes in the other direction also.
Heck, I know it does. Everyone forgets how great Jack Sikma was

But what happened to him making everyone better? he stopped in the playoffs? Marions numbers were something that NASH got credit for but Marion got credit for the choking. I have always been astonished that Nash has achieved his status. He got this huge bump from "intangibles" (which are usually bullshit) because his numbers in the MVP seasons (15 and 18 points a game and 11 assists) are neither exceptional nor are they nearly as impactful as they should have been due to the D'antoni offense they came in. He got this nebulous credit for phoenix being a good regular season team yet seemed to escape unscathed when they invariably missed the finals once again. So his intangibles didnt work in the post season? He is a smart player who gets a lot out of his ability. He is quick and doesnt make a lot of bad plays. He is a good shooter and excellent passer. He is a really good player who should be a borderline Hall of Famer in a few years. Yet I heard some moron say he should be on the 2nd team of the Alltime NBA team. That is like putting Big Brown in the top 10 of alltime horses including Mr. Ed.