Police shooting of Oscar Grant

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I'm not looking at the video for the same reason most are looking at it. Most are looking at this in order to see what should be done to discipline the cop. I'm looking at it to see how this could have been avoided. I doubt the cop wanted to kill someone right in front everybody. So, I am gunna assume it's the biggest mistake of his life. What I do know is the easiest way it could have been avoided is if that crowd wasn't harassing that group of cops. Then, there would have been more help controlling this guy. How many cops are even looking at the suspect when he gets shot? Anybody besides the shooter? I think the cop helping him has his head turned towards the crowd. Many accidents have somebody doing something very wrong, and another person doing something that person wasn't counting on them doing. All I am saying is that crowd acted as a catalyst in this situation. It's his responsibility, but if they really care about this not happening again, then they won't do this mob harassment stuff. There is a way to act, and this wasn't the way. There are cameras. It's not up to them to try to stop cops from doing something. Make a formal complaint. Tape it on your cell. They got the exact opposite result of what they wanted. They made the result much worse for the people they wanted to be left alone. He'd be out amongst them today if they wouldn't have acted that way.

[Mike]

I see what you're saying, Scuds

At first when hearing about this shooting and video, I expected to see that the young man had exacerbated his own bad situation of having the cops remove he and friends from a subway, by being an ass. I imagine he must have been saying something that did get a reaction. However, if you're a government employee with a gun and handcuffs and have all your buddies blocking the crowd away from you, you're not supposed to be so thin skinned that you react like you're either an angry little boy or a maniac

[SOREHOOF]

I believe it may have been an accident, but this guy seemed to be under control and even the tazer was not really necessary.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

I believe it may have been an accident, but this guy seemed to be under control and even the tazer was not really necessary.

True

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Mike

I see what you're saying, Scuds

At first when hearing about this shooting and video, I expected to see that the young man had exacerbated his own bad situation of having the cops remove he and friends from a subway, by being an ass. I imagine he must have been saying something that did get a reaction. However, if you're a government employee with a gun and handcuffs and have all your buddies blocking the crowd away from you, you're not supposed to be so thin skinned that you react like you're either an angry little boy or a maniac

Oh, I don't know if we are ever gunna know why the guy went for a weapon. I just think the chances of that happening went way up with the crowd threatening them.

[Mike]

For anyone interested in this story, watch this view of the incident. It's taken from the train, but has a strong audio track(of the crowd watching) and a much clearer video. Afteer watching this, I think the police force is liable, not just the officer that pulled the trigger. It's clearer here that a second cop comes in and escalates the situation, perhaps overstimulating the shooter cop's emotional state. I think the victim's friend that was also handcuffed and against the wall can legitimately sue for his impending post-traumatic stress disorder, as he watched the murder(?) from very close proximity:

This viewing is 1:59 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUp1FA-aXdw

[SOREHOOF]

Even mace would have been uncalled for. This situation looks to be under control to me. The "suspect" (victim?) seems to be cooperating.

I hope they send all of them to prison.

He might be a catholic...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...6LHC.DTL&tsp=1

typical.

[SOREHOOF]

Sad situation all the way around.