Duke/Davidson

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's definitely not a weak defender, and he's quick enough to get off his own shot in the league, if not as often. I guess you haven't watched him very much. Stuckey didn't play like a true one in college either, by the way. Steph may not fit a certain mold, but neither did Allen Iverson or Charles Barkley. Not saying Steph's going to be as good as either, but I wouldn't dismiss him just because he doesn't fit a certain body type.

Joey he is a bulk shooter who doesnt have NBA strength. When solid NBA guys decide to lock him down he is toast. Hell he had a big problem with Purdue. He may wind up a niche shooter in a Steve Kerr mold who can play off of others and not turn the ball over. Comparing him to Iverson who had superior quickness or barkley who had superior strength and spring is strange. He is a nice college player on a second division program that gets to shoot alot. Who exactly is he guarding at the NBA level? He really is like a version of Larry Hughes except not as big, strong or athletic.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Joey he is a bulk shooter who doesnt have NBA strength. When solid NBA guys decide to lock him down he is toast. Hell he had a big problem with Purdue. He may wind up a niche shooter in a Steve Kerr mold who can play off of others and not turn the ball over. Comparing him to Iverson who had superior quickness or barkley who had superior strength and spring is strange. He is a nice college player on a second division program that gets to shoot alot. Who exactly is he guarding at the NBA level? He really is like a version of Larry Hughes except not as big, strong or athletic.

Stick to baseball. He's nothing like Larry Hughes and he shoots as many twos as threes. He's not playing against junior high kids, so he knows how to get his shot off against taller players one way or another. Just like I assumed, you completely missed my point with the Iverson/Barkley analogy.

He's like Eddie House with better handle, passing and defense. He does need to get stronger, but Steph's biggest problem in the league will be mental, not physical. Generally it's hard for guys who are relied on for all of their team's offense to adjust into playing a distinct role at the next level, and he's such a bizarre player, it'll be tough for a coach to figure out what that role is.

Again, I don't think he'll be a superstar in the NBA, but he won't be the scrub you think he'll be either.

[ateamstupid]

And like I said, I don't know or care what kind of pro he'll be. The NBA sucks ass, I'm not a scout and I don't profess to be.

But he's not the one-dimensional spot-up shooter you say he is.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

And like I said, I don't know or care what kind of pro he'll be. The NBA sucks ass, I'm not a scout and I don't profess to be.

But he's not the one-dimensional spot-up shooter you say he is.

The NBA is true basketball at the highest level. Real basketball fans could understand the greatness of the players and the game without a band playing stupid songs and a student section painting their faces.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The NBA is true basketball at the highest level. Real basketball fans could understand the greatness of the players and the game without a band playing stupid songs and a student section painting their faces.

The NBA is f'ing boring, packaged nonsense. Of course the players are great, but with some exceptions, they're all set for life trillionaires with guaranteed contracts whose biggest concerns are not spraining their ankles and what cheerleader they can bang after the game. The crowds are terrible, the announcers are worse and all the league cares about is marketing its superstars. The game is secondary, so the ability of the players really doesn't get me off.

Maybe you enjoy hearing about how epic every one of LeBron's bowel movements was, but I don't.

And you're wrong about Curry.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The NBA is f'ing boring, packaged nonsense. Of course the players are great, but with some exceptions, they're all set for life trillionaires with guaranteed contracts whose biggest concerns are not spraining their ankles and what cheerleader they can bang after the game. The crowds are terrible, the announcers are worse and all the league cares about is marketing its superstars. The game is secondary, so the ability of the players really doesn't get me off.

Maybe you enjoy hearing about how epic every one of LeBron's bowel movements was, but I don't.

And you're wrong about Curry.

Go to a game and watch 2 good teams play and tell me that the basketball isn't amazing. I'm sure all those major college teams are full of great student athletes who help grandmas cross the street and volunteer at food kitchens for the poor in their spare time. College basketball is all about fake drama and the coaches. All college basketball cares about is exploiting the "student athletes" in order to score a big TV deal with the networks.

The fact is except in rare instances in college basketball you are simply watching uniforms play each other, the good players dont stay long enough to where you get to know them and who wants to watch bad players.

I am not wrong about Curry and we will revisit this again. Ricky Rubio, now there is a guard to get excited about.

[Cannon Shell]

Curry hopes to be as good

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Go to a game and watch 2 good teams play and tell me that the basketball isn't amazing. I'm sure all those major college teams are full of great student athletes who help grandmas cross the street and volunteer at food kitchens for the poor in their spare time. College basketball is all about fake drama and the coaches. All college basketball cares about is exploiting the "student athletes" in order to score a big TV deal with the networks.

The fact is except in rare instances in college basketball you are simply watching uniforms play each other, the good players dont stay long enough to where you get to know them and who wants to watch bad players.

I am not wrong about Curry and we will revisit this again. Ricky Rubio, now there is a guard to get excited about.

Thanks for telling me to go to an NBA game. I've never been.

Again, you've missed my point. I don't care if NBA guys are assholes, my problem is that the NBA is so dry. It largely doesn't matter to these players whether they win or lose. That's gay, no matter how good the players are.

I cover high school basketball in the city and I enjoy the hell out of it, moreso than NBA games. Why? Because these kids live and die for basketball. Many of them are trying to play their way into a scholarship, others are just doing it because they love it. It's basketball at its purest, if not at its cleanest. There aren't seven zillion TV timeouts, halftime show inanity, or players that are treated like Gods. It's more than just some **** they have to do in order to get paid eight figures a year and secure endorsement deals.

College hoops is similar. Most kids aren't going to the NBA, and every season, thousands of players take their last steps on a basketball court in front of a crowd. Therefore, they're going to want to win more than NBA players, to keep their careers going. So they bust their asses and give us great games against other kids not wanting their careers to end. That's fake drama? What the hell would be real drama then?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Go to a game and watch 2 good teams play and tell me that the basketball isn't amazing. I'm sure all those major college teams are full of great student athletes who help grandmas cross the street and volunteer at food kitchens for the poor in their spare time. College basketball is all about fake drama and the coaches. All college basketball cares about is exploiting the "student athletes" in order to score a big TV deal with the networks.

The fact is except in rare instances in college basketball you are simply watching uniforms play each other, the good players dont stay long enough to where you get to know them and who wants to watch bad players.

I am not wrong about Curry and we will revisit this again. Ricky Rubio, now there is a guard to get excited about.

We get to watch the Knicks play.

It's less entertaining than watching brainless pidgeons chase stale bread around a McDonald's garbage.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Stick to baseball. He's nothing like Larry Hughes and he shoots as many twos as threes. He's not playing against junior high kids, so he knows how to get his shot off against taller players one way or another. Just like I assumed, you completely missed my point with the Iverson/Barkley analogy.

He's like Eddie House with better handle, passing and defense. He does need to get stronger, but Steph's biggest problem in the league will be mental, not physical. Generally it's hard for guys who are relied on for all of their team's offense to adjust into playing a distinct role at the next level, and he's such a bizarre player, it'll be tough for a coach to figure out what that role is.

Again, I don't think he'll be a superstar in the NBA, but he won't be the scrub you think he'll be either.

I already told you what his role will be, it is pretty clear. The only type of system that he would be able to put in a lot of minutes is a D'antoni or Golden State type offense. However Golden state is falling apart and will have a new coach soon which leaves only the Knicks. He is a guy who plays with the ball who needs to learn to play without it. That is a big adjustment. The pro game is about matchups, endurance, speed and strength. Curry does not score high in any catagory. I understood your point with Iverson/Barkley but both had physical gifts that allowed them to overcome their lack of size. Curry has no such gifts. His ceiling is probably Sleepy Floyd.

[King Glorious]

Curry will play in the NBA and he will be successful. He's not playing against Ivy League teams every night. He led his team very far in the tournament last year. Watch how he beat Georgetown. He put 29 on Duke. He put 40 something on Oklahoma. These are major college teams and he still scores in bunches. There is always a place in the league for a guy with his shooting ability. If Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Tim Legler, hell, even his dad Dale made it in the league, Steph will be there too. He's got much more game than all of them. He can handle the ball and he's a pretty good passer too. He's not one-dimensional at all. I get so tired of the so called "experts" always saying this guy or that guy can't play in the pros. Stop trying to pigeonhole guys and just let them play. Those same experts said Ryan Leaf, Akeli Smith, Alex Smith and a host of others would be great pros then say a guy like Tim Tebow can't be. Tebow is a WINNER. Give me him over all of those other guys because he knows how to get the job done and he's proven it over and over at the highest level of the college game. They said Darren Sproles couldn't play. Ask the Colts if that's true. They said Earl Boykins and Tyrone Bogues couldn't make it. I think they did ok. Talent and heart can take you further than your combine numbers.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Curry will play in the NBA and he will be successful. He's not playing against Ivy League teams every night. He led his team very far in the tournament last year. Watch how he beat Georgetown. He put 29 on Duke. He put 40 something on Oklahoma. These are major college teams and he still scores in bunches. There is always a place in the league for a guy with his shooting ability. If Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Tim Legler, hell, even his dad Dale made it in the league, Steph will be there too. He's got much more game than all of them. He can handle the ball and he's a pretty good passer too. He's not one-dimensional at all. I get so tired of the so called "experts" always saying this guy or that guy can't play in the pros. Stop trying to pigeonhole guys and just let them play. Those same experts said Ryan Leaf, Akeli Smith, Alex Smith and a host of others would be great pros then say a guy like Tim Tebow can't be. Tebow is a WINNER. Give me him over all of those other guys because he knows how to get the job done and he's proven it over and over at the highest level of the college game. They said Darren Sproles couldn't play. Ask the Colts if that's true. They said Earl Boykins and Tyrone Bogues couldn't make it. I think they did ok. Talent and heart can take you further than your combine numbers.

If playing 12 minutes a game as a 7th or 8th man is sucessful then you may be right. However you like Joe fail to understand that all the players like Sproles, Boykins and Bogues had tremendous physical attributes (speed) that Curry lacks. Not to mention that they are all bit players on medicre teams. I get sick of people who are willing to overlook a players obvious flaws because they are "winners". Curry is a complimentary player at best in the NBA. I said his ceiling was probably Sleepy Floyd who was far better than Boykins or Bogues. What he is most likely not is a starter for a good team or even a rotation player until he shows he can handle a different role. He isnt the modern George Gervin. And by the way the "experts" that see college stars that wont translate into pro stars are right far more often than not.