Getting a little ridiculous!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Merry Christmas everyone!

I am taking a break as the kiddies are finally asleep.

The Yankees have put themselves in a "no win" situation. With that type of payroll, its world series title or utter failure even if they get there and lose. And even if they win it, the title was "bought". I dont think that there are too many real Yankee fans that see this and are pleased.

Im not piling on Stickhorse but I loved that Milwuakee went for the gusto this year when they had the chance to rent sabbathia for half the season. Opportunities for small market teams like the Brewers to actually contend don't come around too often and its great for baseball when they do.

Much like what happened in the eighties, economics and age will catch up with the Yankees and they will be forced to start over...eventually.

Very hard to cheer for this team. I do think they make the playoffs though. If midseason comes and its close, they will rent a couple of more players. They do have a couple of more prospects on the farm than Chuck wants to admit.

Who are these prospects that I have missed?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Who are these prospects that I have missed?

Melancon and motero to start with.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Melancon and motero to start with.

When can Montero play? Not soon at the major league level behind the plate though he can suddenly really hit he is still in the lower levels. Melancon is not highly rated, most likely will be a middle reliver.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When can Montero play? Not soon at the major league level behind the plate though he can suddenly really hit he is still in the lower levels. Melancon is not highly rated, most likely will be a middle reliver.

Okay, you win there. Here are my first baseman better than TEX in the last 25 years. This should be fun to chew on:

1. Don Mattingly
2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Eddie Murray
4. Rod Carew
5. Will Clark

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, you win there. Here are my first baseman better than TEX in the last 25 years. This should be fun to chew on:

1. Don Mattingly
2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Eddie Murray
4. Rod Carew
5. Will Clark

I know it may be difficult to include Maguire in those talks, but Todd Helton's name needs to be somewhere in the mix too.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GPK

I know it may be difficult to include Maguire in those talks, but Todd Helton's name needs to be somewhere in the mix too.

Helton was a very good player who will always be downgraded a bit by playing in Colorado. But his numbers are really good for 5 or 6 years

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Helton was a very good player who will always be downgraded a bit by playing in Colorado. But his numbers are really good for 5 or 6 years

5 or 6 years?? He played 35 games in '97. Starting in '98 he hit over .300 for 10 straight seasons. His OBP was over .400 for the last 8 straight of those 10 seasons. Also had 8 straight years where his SLG % was over .500 and 4 of those years it was over .600, including 2000 where he was damn close to .700.

[Cannon Shell]

Frank thomas has great numbers but was mainly a 1st baseman for 4 season because he was a brutal fielder. Palmiero has numbers and was a really good player but is more tainted than even McGuire. Morneau is looking like a really good 1st baseman too but needs to do it longer, Giambi had a few great years at the plate but juiced and was always a bad fielder, Delgado was a great hitter but not so great in the field. Who else is there?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, you win there. Here are my first baseman better than TEX in the last 25 years. This should be fun to chew on:

1. Don Mattingly
2. Jeff Bagwell
3. Eddie Murray
4. Rod Carew
5. Will Clark

He and Mattingly are very close at age 28 but Tex hits from both sides and Donnie baseball only had 5 good seasons and was pretty much done at 29.
Bagwell may have a little better raw numbers but Tex is a far better fielder and bags peaked in a very suspicous era.
eddie murray was a better player
carew was not a great 1st baseman, his overall career is hall of fame worthy but he simply had no power and outside of his 1977 season which was unbelievable he is not the player that tex is.
Will Clark was a good player but is not in tex's league either

I understand that most havent seen the guy play that much but he is a very good hitter, has power, makes contact, takes walks, superior defender and shows up to play.
his career average season:
612 Ab's
101 runs
177 hits
40 2bs
36 hrs
121 rbis
79 bb
124 k
.290 avg
.378 obp
.541 slg

keep in mind he has dramatically dropped his k rate and raised his bb rate the last 2 seasons and plays Gold Glove defense

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He and Mattingly are very close at age 28 but Tex hits from both sides and Donnie baseball only had 5 good seasons and was pretty much done at 29.
Bagwell may have a little better raw numbers but Tex is a far better fielder and bags peaked in a very suspicous era.
eddie murray was a better player
carew was not a great 1st baseman, his overall career is hall of fame worthy but he simply had no power and outside of his 1977 season which was unbelievable he is not the player that tex is.
Will Clark was a good player but is not in tex's league either

I understand that most havent seen the guy play that much but he is a very good hitter, has power, makes contact, takes walks, superior defender and shows up to play.
his career average season:
612 Ab's
101 runs
177 hits
40 2bs
36 hrs
121 rbis
79 bb
124 k
.290 avg
.378 obp
.541 slg

keep in mind he has dramatically dropped his k rate and raised his bb rate the last 2 seasons and plays Gold Glove defense

Donnnie baseball was better in the field, hit for better average and was just a more dominant all around player. We can only use those years up to where TEX is now because it is impossible to say what TEX will become. Isnt that fair?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Donnnie baseball was better in the field, hit for better average and was just a more dominant all around player. We can only use those years up to where TEX is now because it is impossible to say what TEX will become. Isnt that fair?

No way was he better in the field, no way. Mattingly's peak is not superior to what Texiera has done. And if we include Mattinglys 1990 through 1995 seasons it aint even close. I was being nice but if Mattingly had played in Texas most wouldnt even remember him now.