Pletcher BC positive; Hearing pending

[Linny]

Originally Posted by CSC

Let's go back to this point, Steve has stated that it is more to do with sloppiness and not cheating for this one particular incident.

The question for me is I have seen more than my share of "previously trained by" comments in the form and we all know he still has a pretty powerful stable. But he's lost quite a few owners, Melnyk for one. Which again the question to me is why? I'm not going to lose any sleep over it, but I don't believe enough of the news media has made light of this. I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering what is happening here? If anything...

P.S For a time every owner it seemed was flocking to him, now they can't seem to get away fast enough.

He has lost several owners and some are using him less eclusively but without knowing the owners' reasons it's hard to pin it on one caus. Maybe those trainers who supported him when he started didn't like the vast increase in the size of his operation. Some may have preferred different assistant trainers and others may have chosen not to stay on as Todd's day rate increased. There are alot of reasons to move from one trainer to another.
I do think that Seth was a great assistant. He is methodical and has a head like an encyclopedia. I cannot imagine that losing him didn't hurt Todd. I don't know Tristan so I can't make any comparision but losing Seth couldn't have been good.

For a guy who's clients can't get away fast enough, he sure has alot of horses.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Linny

He has lost several owners and some are using him less eclusively but without knowing the owners' reasons it's hard to pin it on one caus. Maybe those trainers who supported him when he started didn't like the vast increase in the size of his operation. Some may have preferred different assistant trainers and others may have chosen not to stay on as Todd's day rate increased. There are alot of reasons to move from one trainer to another.
I do think that Seth was a great assistant. He is methodical and has a head like an encyclopedia. I cannot imagine that losing him didn't hurt Todd. I don't know Tristan so I can't make any comparision but losing Seth couldn't have been good.

For a guy who's clients can't get away fast enough, he sure has alot of horses.

Agreed he still has clients, it's the one's he has lost that are abit more confusing. I think there is a reason here beneign as it may be, but not being an insider I guess we will never know just why.

[the_fat_man]

Here's my take on this from a race watching perspective.

In the glory days, Pletcher horses would win, even though, in most cases, they were getting the worst trips, as WIDE Johnny V was up (and giving them his patented, wide, no cover, premature trips). You'd typically see JV beating on these horses on the turn and they'd still have enough to draw in the stretch.
Not happening any longer; these horses are not winning with JV up and, interestingly, in some cases, they'll win with another jock and a better trip.

I have no other evidence but something certainly stinks. Horses typically win when they get favorable trips. Horses winning when they don't get the best trip (or even when they get the worst trip) are a cause for a red flag. The dude was a juicer. No doubt about it. They took his drugs away and he's firing blanks (relative to past years). Having been around in the Oscar and Ferraiola , etc. eras, I'd like to think that I can spot juicers.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I have no other evidence but something certainly stinks. Horses typically win when they get favorable trips. Horses winning when they don't get the best trip (or even when they get the worst trip) are a cause for a red flag.

I like to call it the 'energizer bunny' effect, they keep going and going and going...ect...It's important to say we are speculating here, but something didn't quite add up on how his horses ran like alkaline batteries.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Here's my take on this from a race watching perspective.

In the glory days, Pletcher horses would win, even though, in most cases, they were getting the worst trips, as WIDE Johnny V was up (and giving his patented, wide, no cover, premature trips). You'd typically see JV beating on these horses on the turn and they'd still have enough to draw in the stretch.
Not happening any longer; these horses are not winning with JV up and, interestingly, in some cases, they'll win with another jock and a better trip.

I have no other evidence but something certainly stinks. Horses typically win when they get favorable trips. Horses winning when they don't get the best trip (or even when they get the worst trip) are a cause for a red flag. The dude was a juicer. No doubt about it. They took his drugs away and he's firing blanks (relative to past years). Having been around in the Oscar and Ferraiola , etc. eras, I'd like to think that I can spot juicers.

Very much agree with this

The Fleet Indian "upgrade" was what concerned me the most.