Prince of Change reaches for dangerous 'retreads!

[timmgirvan]

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Ok, we disagree on Robertson and Falwell.
Now...the faith thing....don't recall ever using my faith as a criteria for disagreeing with folks...anyway, it's interesting that you justify your remarks in that way. and...."Your dissolution of faith comes from discarding the Bible as the course of your life...it's much more comfortable not having to stand up for age old concepts"....thanks for proving my point! For the sake of accuracy, my faith predates Christianity by about 10,000 years...more importantly, you demonstrate exactly what I and others have been saying...more Koolade?

Selective answers always from you! We can always take the discussion of faith to PM. In any event, your answers are always replete with some fear crap about the religious right. Well it appears that your fearless leader(or clueless) is getting ready to crush the 2nd amendment, and his SOS will take things away from us for our own good(her words) Accuracy?? please tell me what the Wiccan faith has done in 12,000 years to better humanity? ZIP NADA ZILCH....but don't take that personally. No comment about the main text of my post?? I thought not!

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Selective answers always from you! We can always take the discussion of faith to PM. In any event, your answers are always replete with some fear crap about the religious right. Well it appears that your fearless leader(or clueless) is getting ready to crush the 2nd amendment, and his SOS will take things away from us for our own good(her words) Accuracy?? please tell me what the Wiccan faith has done in 12,000 years to better humanity? ZIP NADA ZILCH....but don't take that personally. No comment about the main text of my post?? I thought not!

Timm.
Christians dont exactly have a stellar record dealing with humanity.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Timm.
Christians dont exactly have a stellar record dealing with humanity.

Do the scholarship,P! you gonna rack it all up on the crusades? SHEESH

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Do the scholarship,P! you gonna rack it all up on the crusades? SHEESH

You mentioned it. I guess it was just a minor blip. Whats 3 or 4 mass
infiltrations looking for heathens. Ahhh just nothing. And what was one of the most important reasons our founding fathers left Europe Timm? What was the dominant religion at that time in Europe Timm?

Im sure you can find many other instances of Christians doing the right thing in the name of God. I will agree that the fundamentals of the Judeo-Christian
ways of the law seem very humane... but cmon...

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

You mentioned it. I guess it was just a minor blip. Whats 3 or 4 mass
infiltrations looking for heathens. Ahhh just nothing. And what was one of the most important reasons our founding fathers left Europe Timm? What was the dominant religion at that time in Europe Timm?

Im sure you can find many other instances of Christians doing the right thing in the name of God. I will agree that the fundamentals of the Judeo-Christian
ways of the law seem very humane... but cmon...

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

Yes and that state religion was none other than Christianity.
Just like Islamic countries using the rule of Law of the Koran
as interpreted by them.

Are Roman Catholics Christian Timm?

[timmgirvan]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Yes and that state religion was none other than Christianity.
Just like Islamic countries using the rule of Law of the Koran
as interpreted by them.

Are Roman Catholics Christian Timm?

The Church of England was a form of Christianity, but ruled more for political
power than anything(short version)
Roman Catholics are Christians, but there are many divisions and schisms in
Christianity as there are in Islam and the rest.

[Danzig]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That would be the Roman Catholic church,I believe, that was the major force in the Crusades. Our founding fathers left England because they didn't want a STATE religion foisted on them.

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

[Mortimer]

[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

Do you have really,really long hair?

[timmgirvan]

[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

you're combining two religions in your history. it was c of e before the founders moved on, part of the whole reformation/counter reformation/civil war in england.


and didn't we have religious tolerance tests here? salem witch trials, puritan only enclaves? mass missionary 'attacks' on native americans? and now, we have those who want to attack the muslim religion in this country? yeah, we're really good at that 'all religions are welcome here' thing...matter of fact tim, you're one of those who judges religions different than your own-yet you invoke religions tolerance?! witness your attacks on somers religion. you're a hypocrite.

yada yada yada...just because you're mad at God doesn't give you the right to judge all Christians either. I believe I asked for Somers explanation, not for debate(as you both would have it)but because he has a problem with Christianity. I haven't differentiated some things merely due to lack of space...not because I'm lumping them all together. You continually post your musings, but I don't asnwer them with vitriol. I'm not the final authority on much of anything, so you best take it up with God. You've obviously decided God(big G) isn't going to run your life...swell with me.

[somerfrost]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Selective answers always from you! We can always take the discussion of faith to PM. In any event, your answers are always replete with some fear crap about the religious right. Well it appears that your fearless leader(or clueless) is getting ready to crush the 2nd amendment, and his SOS will take things away from us for our own good(her words) Accuracy?? please tell me what the Wiccan faith has done in 12,000 years to better humanity? ZIP NADA ZILCH....but don't take that personally. No comment about the main text of my post?? I thought not!

Obama still isn't in the whitehouse, I find it amazing that you continue the fear-mongering and hate...and then accuse me of what you are doing...lol! More Koolade for the guy in the corner, he's losing it!!
Same with religion...by the way, it's not religion that betters or worsens humanity, it's people! Every act of personal kindness, every acceptance of a human being regardless of differences makes the world a better place. Do you really want a list of things that so-called Christians have done to effect the human condition? Crusades, slaughter of innocent folks deemed to be possessed, genocide...the list is rather lengthy. The point is however that I don't blame Christianity for these things...Christianity, like Hinduism, Judaism, Islam...all the monotheistic religions, preaches love, peace, understanding...unlike you, and your koolade, I don't condemn religions, I blame individuals who pervert them to suit their own purposes. Again, you do a better job than me of proving my point....Wicca is inferior because ___ (fill in the blank like you always do). Who are you to judge me or my beliefs? Why of course, you are privy to the "truth"! and...just for accuracy, I don't consider myself Wiccan.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Obama still isn't in the whitehouse, I find it amazing that you continue the fear-mongering and hate...and then accuse me of what you are doing...lol! More Koolade for the guy in the corner, he's losing it!!
Same with religion...by the way, it's not religion that betters or worsens humanity, it's people! Every act of personal kindness, every acceptance of a human being regardless of differences makes the world a better place. Do you really want a list of things that so-called Christians have done to effect the human condition? Crusades, slaughter of innocent folks deemed to be possessed, genocide...the list is rather lengthy. The point is however that I don't blame Christianity for these things...Christianity, like Hinduism, Judaism, Islam...all the monotheistic religions, preaches love, peace, understanding...unlike you, and your koolade, I don't condemn religions, I blame individuals who pervert them to suit their own purposes. Again, you do a better job than me of proving my point....Wicca is inferior because ___ (fill in the blank like you always do). Who are you to judge me or my beliefs? Why of course, you are privy to the "truth"! and...just for accuracy, I don't consider myself Wiccan.

yada yada yada...same BS you been spoutin since ESPN days. What the hell do you believe then? btw...It is Faith that makes people better...I'll dumb it down for you...a moral code!! If you don't have something that anchors you, or guides you, then you're liable to fall for anything that tickles your ears....or sustains your actions.

[Antitrust32]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

yada yada yada...same BS you been spoutin since ESPN days. What the hell do you believe then? btw...It is Faith that makes people better...I'll dumb it down for you...a moral code!! If you don't have something that anchors you, or guides you, then you're liable to fall for anything that tickles your ears....or sustains your actions.

Man timmi that was like a DALA comment but the opposite way.

Do you understand what is wrong with those sentences?

sounds like a cult-ish point of view to me.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Man timmi that was like a DALA comment but the opposite way.

Do you understand what is wrong with those sentences?

sounds like a cult-ish point of view to me.

So what is supposed to hold the fabric of society together?
You don't have a moral code? What drives you or guides you? simple question!

I want to know why it's difficult to spell KOOL-AID

God f.ucking damnit.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I want to know why it's difficult to spell KOOL-AID

God f.ucking damnit.

I like spelling it dammit.
For the effect, not affect.

[Antitrust32]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So what is supposed to hold the fabric of society together?
You don't have a moral code? What drives you or guides you? simple question!

The morals I have in my own brain is what drives me to be honest. I may not be 100% perfect (obviously cause Im gay right ) but I always try to look out for others and never cause harm to anyone.

Its not a faith, its a commen sense and a common knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

The morals I have in my own brain is what drives me to be honest. I may not be 100% perfect (obviously cause Im gay right ) but I always try to look out for others and never cause harm to anyone.

Its not a faith, its a commen sense and a common knowledge of what is right and what is wrong.

you took the slight...I didn't give it to you.
You had to have started from something....morally, whether from parents or church or school even. Common sense doesn't dictate things related to rage or passion,for instance.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Are you serious with this crap? The fabric of society? What guides us?

Parents guide us. Life experiences guide us. We learn from each of them and apply it to our lives. I'm sure everyone has their own "moral code". I think people are capable of deciding for themselves what they think is morally right and what is morally wrong.

That's what I said about parents and life

[somerfrost]

[quote=timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

yada yada yada...same BS you been spoutin since ESPN days. What the hell do you believe then? btw...It is Faith that makes people better...I'll dumb it down for you...a moral code!! If you don't have something that anchors you, or guides you, then you're liable to fall for anything that tickles your ears....or sustains your actions.

Again, more attacks on my beliefs, you paint yourself into a corner by your words so I guess the only thing left is another drink of koolade. I don't need to defend my faith, yet somehow you think I do, now why is that? Oh yeah, you have all the answers, only your faith leads to the devine...my faith is inferior, to be ridiculed...I must be going to hell...oops, don't believe such a place exists...more "proof" to you that I am an inferior being. What you are clearly saying is that unless I believe as you do, drink the same koolade, that I don't have a moral code....really, once again, your words cast light on you!