Prop 8 Sucks

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

First off, I'm not a big fan of the Mormons in general, and I'm pro Gay rights.
However, just because you don't see a compelling reason for polygamous marriage, it doesn't mean others(i.e traditional Mormons and many others around the world) don't like the idea.

I don't like the idea of polygamous marriage, either, but I'm having a hard time justifying why, if not for a personal preference objection(just like some might not prefer blacks and whites marrying)

i always figured it was mostly guys who would be for the idea.
but, like i said, the whole deal is about allowing two adults marry in some circumstances, but not in others. if there is no legal reason (precluding age, too closely related for example, or not free from previous legal contract) then i don't see how the govt can say yes to some, no to others. really, that's all it comes down to.

[Honu]

Whoever said gays and lesbians wanted to get married in a church anyway?
Maybe they want to go to Vegas and get drunk like a movie star and get married .

[letswastemoney]

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

They already reserve the right not to marry people ,usually people who want to get married in a church have several meetings with the pastor or priest , if the pastor or priest doesnt see fit that they should be married they can say no.
Its sorta like the right to refuse service to anyone.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

They already reserve the right not to marry people ,usually people who want to get married in a church have several meetings with the pastor or priest , if the pastor or priest doesnt see fit that they should be married they can say no.
Its sorta like the right to refuse service to anyone.

When are we getting married?

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by GPK

When are we getting married?

When your joint falls off.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

When your joint falls off.

Git outta here

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

When your joint falls off.

You may not really be here but it's nice to see your humor lingers on my friend.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

churches have the right to turn down anyone already. my husband and i got turned down by the priest at the roman catholic church where he grew up-we hadn't gone thru the six months of 'instruction' that they supposedly require. hell, we hadn't even known each other six months when we got married!!

i say supposedly because a few years later, his younger bro got married to a non catholic, no instruction, in the same church-but a different priest. now, she was knocked up...maybe he was just in a hurry to get her married and converted?

anyway, we got married by the judge, now the mayor of el dorado. almost 23 years later, and it's all good.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

does a rabbi have to marry a couple that's not jewish? does a priest have to marry a couple that's not catholic?

do we need to have provision's that make those answer's clear?

there's a difference between public and private space in the law. churches are private.

if i own a restaurant, under the law i can't discriminate. that doesn't mean when i go home i have no choice in whom comes to dinner.

why would a church need clarification on this point? if i'm a priest i can refuse to marry you because you didn't get baptized. or because i don't think you're in love. or because i'm busy. or because i just don't like you. or for no reason whatsoever.

do you still think a church that didn't want to would have to marry a gay couple? any examples anywhere that this has happened?