Prop 8 Sucks

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

I'm having trouble understanding why more than two persons can't enter into a marriage. Can someone help me to understand why wwe can't have polygamous marriages if all parties are consenting adults?

No moral objections, please

i've never really thought about it to be honest with you. i'd never enter into one. i can't imagine sharing my husband with another woman. i just don't see it working.
some people might. but then, some people are into lots of things. i don't see a compelling reason to allow it imo.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Danzig

...i don't see a compelling reason to allow it imo.

First off, I'm not a big fan of the Mormons in general, and I'm pro Gay rights.
However, just because you don't see a compelling reason for polygamous marriage, it doesn't mean others(i.e traditional Mormons and many others around the world) don't like the idea.

I don't like the idea of polygamous marriage, either, but I'm having a hard time justifying why, if not for a personal preference objection(just like some might not prefer blacks and whites marrying)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Mike

First off, I'm not a big fan of the Mormons in general, and I'm pro Gay rights.
However, just because you don't see a compelling reason for polygamous marriage, it doesn't mean others(i.e traditional Mormons and many others around the world) don't like the idea.

I don't like the idea of polygamous marriage, either, but I'm having a hard time justifying why, if not for a personal preference objection(just like some might not prefer blacks and whites marrying)

I see your point.. the reason I can come up for justifying why they shouldnt be allowed is that people could take advantage of the rights given by the govn't through marriage... i.e. marrying a lot of people and then getting 10 different social security checks after their multiple spouse's pass away.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

First off, I'm not a big fan of the Mormons in general, and I'm pro Gay rights.
However, just because you don't see a compelling reason for polygamous marriage, it doesn't mean others(i.e traditional Mormons and many others around the world) don't like the idea.

I don't like the idea of polygamous marriage, either, but I'm having a hard time justifying why, if not for a personal preference objection(just like some might not prefer blacks and whites marrying)

i always figured it was mostly guys who would be for the idea.
but, like i said, the whole deal is about allowing two adults marry in some circumstances, but not in others. if there is no legal reason (precluding age, too closely related for example, or not free from previous legal contract) then i don't see how the govt can say yes to some, no to others. really, that's all it comes down to.

[Honu]

Whoever said gays and lesbians wanted to get married in a church anyway?
Maybe they want to go to Vegas and get drunk like a movie star and get married .

[letswastemoney]

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

They already reserve the right not to marry people ,usually people who want to get married in a church have several meetings with the pastor or priest , if the pastor or priest doesnt see fit that they should be married they can say no.
Its sorta like the right to refuse service to anyone.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Honu

They already reserve the right not to marry people ,usually people who want to get married in a church have several meetings with the pastor or priest , if the pastor or priest doesnt see fit that they should be married they can say no.
Its sorta like the right to refuse service to anyone.

When are we getting married?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

churches have the right to turn down anyone already. my husband and i got turned down by the priest at the roman catholic church where he grew up-we hadn't gone thru the six months of 'instruction' that they supposedly require. hell, we hadn't even known each other six months when we got married!!

i say supposedly because a few years later, his younger bro got married to a non catholic, no instruction, in the same church-but a different priest. now, she was knocked up...maybe he was just in a hurry to get her married and converted?

anyway, we got married by the judge, now the mayor of el dorado. almost 23 years later, and it's all good.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

There should be a little provision saying that churches would reserve the right to not marry gays. But I don't see the problem in letting a government official marry them.

does a rabbi have to marry a couple that's not jewish? does a priest have to marry a couple that's not catholic?

do we need to have provision's that make those answer's clear?

there's a difference between public and private space in the law. churches are private.

if i own a restaurant, under the law i can't discriminate. that doesn't mean when i go home i have no choice in whom comes to dinner.

why would a church need clarification on this point? if i'm a priest i can refuse to marry you because you didn't get baptized. or because i don't think you're in love. or because i'm busy. or because i just don't like you. or for no reason whatsoever.

do you still think a church that didn't want to would have to marry a gay couple? any examples anywhere that this has happened?