Did anyone see this?

[MaTH716]

I just had a chance to watch it. You get a pretty good look at it on the head on at Cal Racing. It happens about 100 yards from the wire, she is on the rail. Arroyo has a red helmet on. There just doesn't seem to be any logical reason (at least to me) for him hitting the horse like that. The whacks don't seem as ferocious as Jeremy Rose's, but I just don't understand what his intent was.

[Fearless Leader]

How is it possible that he was merely fined and not suspended for that. It is inexcusable, especially in the light of the Jeremy Rose incident. At some point, the jockey's as a group need to be held accountable for their behavior. How the steward's can condone this behavior by their inaction is mystifying

[the_fat_man]

I'm no fan of Arroyo; and even less a fan of the inadequacy of NYRA's video crew (it's 2008, do you think we might FINALLY get a TRUE HEADON of the stretch run?). With that said, and thus accounting for the lack of a TRUE HEADON, it appears that the filly was trying to get out (not significantly but trying nonetheless) and Arroyo was protecting himself, the horse, and horses to his outside and behind him, by trying to keep her straight--note the horse that shoots by to his outside just before the wire. A bit extreme, certainly, but justifiable nonetheless.

This is a distasteful subject: if NYRA (and most other tracks) can't provide adequate camera angles then they really shouldn't fine (or DQ) anyone, as doing so is based on assumptions rather than (correct interpretation of) facts.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I'm no fan of Arroyo; and even less a fan of the inadequacy of NYRA's video crew (it's 2008, do you think we might FINALLY get a TRUE HEADON of the stretch run?). With that said, and thus accounting for the lack of a TRUE HEADON, it appears that the filly was trying to get out (not significantly but trying nonetheless) and Arroyo was protecting himself, the horse, and horses to his outside and behind him, by trying to keep her straight--note the horse that shoots by to his outside just before the wire. A bit extreme, certainly, but justifiable nonetheless.

This is a distasteful subject: if NYRA (and most other tracks) can't provide adequate camera angles then they really shouldn't fine (or DQ) anyone, as doing so is based on assumptions rather than (correct interpretation of) facts.

What are you smoking to have drawn that completely inaccurate conclusion ?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

What are you smoking to have drawn that completely inaccurate conclusion ?

WATCH THE REPLAY. Getting old arguing with people who either won't or can't (properly) watch races. On the other hand, WELCOME to the handicapping pool.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You know what's getting old? You acting like your opinion is so much superior to others in regards to this game. To my knowleadge you've posted like 3 winners here. Whoopty phuckin doo. No one disputes you are knowledgable, but you're not as sharp as you think.

You never answered me the other day. When you ride, seat on or off?

Hey Fatman when you get done answering Dahoss's question I got one for ya....


Do you sit or stand when you pee ?