Who shouldn't have the right to vote

geeker2 · #1 11-03-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Amen sista! I saw these people protesting the other day to make marraige 1 man and 1 woman... I wanted to ask them if I married my partner, how that would affect their lives?

But I didnt feel like wasting my time. I would like to ask that to Gov. Palin though.

No on gay marriage; yes on equal treatment

Joe Biden

Gays should not face discrimination but should not marry

Obama

not overwhelming from these guys is it...

Danzig · #2 11-03-2008, 05:46 PM

oh...separate but equal? now...where have i heard that before????

Mike · #3 11-03-2008, 05:56 PM

Mark this liberal as No on gay marriage; YES on civil unions

Why do you guys and gals want to get "married" anyways? I think marriage is more of a religious ceremony, and religions should have the right to say no to it(gay marriage).

If you can tell me a benefit to being married that isn't covered by Civil Unions(we have 'em here in Vermont, I think we were the first), let me know, I don't know much about the details

Now, I'm unmarried and living with my opposite sex partner for 13 years now, and we have two kids. So I guess I don't care much about marriage

hi_im_god · #4 11-03-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Mark this liberal as No on gay marriage; YES on civil unions

Why do you guys and gals want to get "married" anyways? I think marriage is more of a religious ceremony, and religions should have the right to say no to it(gay marriage).

If you can tell me a benefit to being married that isn't covered by Civil Unions(we have 'em here in Vermont, I think we were the first), let me know, I don't know much about the details

Now, I'm unmarried and living with my opposite sex partner for 13 years now, and we have two kids. So I guess I don't care much about marriage

they always have and nothing about that changed with the court ruling.

the only people being "forced" to perform gay marriages in california are county clerks. they also have to marry interracial couples regardless of their personal opinions.

churches in california regularly refuse to marry couples that aren't members of their sect. why would you think they can't refuse to perform a gay marriage?

this is like saying that laws preventing a restaurant from discriminating means i have no say about who can join me at home for dinner. it ignores the difference between public and private space. it's utter nonsense.

i really do think at least some of the people getting really worked up over this have to be serious closet cases. they doth protest too much.

Mike · #5 11-03-2008, 08:54 PM

hi i'm god,I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood me. Perhaps I should have stated things clearer. I know the churches always have had the right to refuse gay marriages

hi_im_god · #6 11-03-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

hi i'm god,I'm not sure but I think you misunderstood me. Perhaps I should have stated things clearer. I know the churches always have had the right to refuse gay marriages

well...okay.

i was going to change my answer to landowning white males except mike but i'll give you a pass now.

Mike · #7 11-03-2008, 09:06 PM

Gotta' watch McCain-Obama on MNF in a few minutes, while handicapping Mountaineer's nightcap, so ...

Danzig · #8 11-03-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Mark this liberal as No on gay marriage; YES on civil unions

Why do you guys and gals want to get "married" anyways? I think marriage is more of a religious ceremony, and religions should have the right to say no to it(gay marriage).If you can tell me a benefit to being married that isn't covered by Civil Unions(we have 'em here in Vermont, I think we were the first), let me know, I don't know much about the details

Now, I'm unmarried and living with my opposite sex partner for 13 years now, and we have two kids. So I guess I don't care much about marriage

now, what about the churches who support gay marriage? they're out there.
you don't have to understand why someone would want to get married-that's got nothing to do with it. i don't understand why two folks would live together, and raise a family without making that commitment-doesn't mean i think there should be laws against it.

Mike · #9 11-03-2008, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

now, what about the churches who support gay marriage? they're out there.
you don't have to understand why someone would want to get married-that's got nothing to do with it. i don't understand why two folks would live together, and raise a family without making that commitment-doesn't mean i think there should be laws against it.

Fine with me if some churches choose to perform gay marriage. I guess I'm pro gay marriage after all.

There are two aspects to marriage, I think. I believe I could, here in Vermont, get married in a church, but not have the marriage filed with the state, if I so chose. Say an elderly couple wanted to get married, in a church, but didn't want to lose any social security income. They could do this, and they would be married in the eyes of God, just not in the eyes of the state

I don't know much about marriage and the technicalities and paperwork aspect, perhaps someone here can chime in

(And please, I don't want to specifically argue about this scenario of retirees and s.s., I'm just trying to give one example)

Mike · #10 11-03-2008, 10:39 PM

I guess you just don't have to get the marriage license after the ceremony

Anyways, I certainly don't run around howling about the "sanctity of marriage", I'm amused when I hear it said

Mortimer · #11 11-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Well it should be sanctitied.

But very hard to do especially in today's world....there is not a lot of meaning in anything,I don't think.

If nothing is true....then everything has to be false...no?

SCUDSBROTHER · #12 11-03-2008, 10:47 PM

As long as they give the majority the say-so, then the minority is gunna have to do as they say. These aren't special rights for gays, so I don't know why it's constitutional to keep them from marrying (by just simply voting in majority against them.)

Mortimer · #13 11-03-2008, 10:51 PM

Hey..ya look better..really do.

Mike · #14 11-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Here's a decent, quick answer on the origin and purpose of marriage:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1002439AAAxdTz

This issue is extremely low on my list. I understand it's very high on others, both sides of the argument.

I could agree on people marrying pigs if you talked to me about it long enough

Danzig · #15 11-04-2008, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

As long as they give the majority the say-so, then the minority is gunna have to do as they say. These aren't special rights for gays, so I don't know why it's constitutional to keep them from marrying (by just simply voting in majority against them.)

because you can't give civil rights to some members-by allowing marriage, naming someone as your legal rep, etc-but not allowing other adults those same rights, because they're 'different'.
the constitution is to keep the often-times voiceless minority from losing their rights, regardless of majority thoughts.