Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Linny

There are no rules in Eclipse voting. In fact it is often very subjective. Singspiel is but one example.
It sometimes just depends on the competition. As good as Proud Spell and Music Note are, I would venture a guess that the "best" 3yo filly to race in the US this year was Goldikova. She crushed older males and her dominating performance over Classic runner up Henrythenavigator and 3x G1 winner Darjina (in the G1 Prix du Moulin) and 2 length loss to the Arc winner mark as her superior. In a year when there were no outstanding 3yo fillies she could be a solid candidate. This year we have Indian Blessing, Proud Spell and Music Note so we don't "need" to look outside the box.

The male sprinters this year are a mess. Since Street Boss has a true campaign, not one big race and one debacle, I'd lean toward him.

As much as I like Intangroo, the one time she and Indian Blessing met, IB handled her solidly. IB gets the nod.

I'm not opposed to counting foreign races for US based runners (Curlin, BTB) but less convinced about counting non US races for non US based runners. US horses deserve credit for good showing overseas. I'm sure that foreign voters give points to horses that ship to the US and win or run well in awarding whatever awards they may have. I tend to think that to earn an award, a horse should have a campaign and that it should be US based.

If you give the nod to IB because of the head to head, why not Ventura, who handled IB easily and also had another grade two win in an open company sprint earlier in the year?

[Linny]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If you give the nod to IB because of the head to head, why not Ventura, who handled IB easily and also had another grade two win in an open company sprint earlier in the year?

If we are talking sprint campaigns, I only count Ventura's 2 sprints. To me her turf routes though good, are meaningless, That means she had a 2 race "campaign" in sprints where IB had a fuller season of sprints. Honestly, if Ventura did win, I wouldn't be outraged as she's clearly a very good sprinting filly and beat IB fair and square.


As for the original point of the thread, I agree with BTW. Sherriffs is supporting his filly for HOY. If bozo's who couldn't tell Zenyatta from Curlin can rant all week on the relative merits of each, why shouldn't the trainer of Zenyatta take he position that she's a HOY candidate?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by Linny

If we are talking sprint campaigns, I only count Ventura's 2 sprints. To me her turf routes though good, are meaningless, That means she had a 2 race "campaign" in sprints where IB had a fuller season of sprints. Honestly, if Ventura did win, I wouldn't be outraged as she's clearly a very good sprinting filly and beat IB fair and square.

Didnt Midnight Lute win the sprint championship with only 2 solid sprint races last year. He wasnt dominating all year long or even sprinting for that matter. I think mostly what they look at here is the BC to crown their champ.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Didnt Midnight Lute win the sprint championship with only 2 solid sprint races last year. He wasnt dominating all year long or even sprinting for that matter. I think mostly what they look at here is the BC to crown their champ.

Exactly. And this year, he might win it again with only one win.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Exactly. And this year, he might win it again with only one win.

I think that would be a shame.