Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Are you serious? Worst three year old crop in years and minor stake runners on the grass? It must be his connections.

Look who Curlin and Zenyetta beat and tell me if I should be serious.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Look who Curlin and Zenyetta beat and tell me if I should be serious.

And just who did Big Brown beat?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And just who did Big Brown beat?

3 year olds, and the cashier at Goodwill.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

3 year olds, and the cashier at Goodwill.

LOL!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

And just who did Big Brown beat?

Curlin proved he was a length better than Past the Point and wandering boy and a few better than Einstein on the dirt. Those are probably the weakest editions of those races in years. Zenyatta beat nobodies all year except at Oaklawn and the Distaff. Big browns crop wasnt good but he won 2/3rds of the TC pretty handily, easily won the FL derby , was not impressive despite winning the Haskell and beat older horses on a second surface. As a matter of fact I dont think one of Curlins foes on the Dirt all year showed up in a BC race.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curlin proved he was a length better than Past the Point and wandering boy and a few better than Einstein on the dirt. Those are probably the weakest editions of those races in years. Zenyatta beat nobodies all year except at Oaklawn and the Distaff. Big browns crop wasnt good but he won 2/3rds of the TC pretty handily, easily won the FL derby , was not impressive despite winning the Haskell and beat older horses on a second surface. As a matter of fact I dont think one of Curlins foes on the Dirt all year showed up in a BC race.

Curlin did win the World Cup & Foster.....I guess it's BB's Belmont that still bothers me.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Curlin did win the World Cup & Foster.....I guess it's BB's Belmont that still bothers me.

The World Cup isnt a North American race
The Foster was a joke

It wasn't much of a year for North American racing. It's like winning Most Popular in a Home School.

[dylbert]

Curlin is HOTY. He could not enter Ladies Classic. Zenyatta could have entered Classic, outrun Raven's Pass, and claim HOTY honors, but did not choose that path.

This is somewhat like BCS college football debate (or as some would say, debacle). There is no playoff system in horse racing either. Horses compete, and avoid, each other throughout calendar year. Therefore, let's encourage Curlin, Zenyatta, and Raven's Pass to all enter Clark at Churchill Downs next month. If Zenyatta and Raven's Pass aren't "surface specialists", their connections should not fear challenging Curlin on his preferred surface, dirt.

Other suggestions, thoughts, or ideas?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dylbert

Curlin is HOTY. He could not enter Ladies Classic. Zenyatta could have entered Classic, outrun Raven's Pass, and claim HOTY honors, but did not choose that path.

This is somewhat like BCS college football debate (or as some would say, debacle). There is no playoff system in horse racing either. Horses compete, and avoid, each other throughout calendar year. Therefore, let's encourage Curlin, Zenyatta, and Raven's Pass to all enter Clark at Churchill Downs next month. If Zenyatta and Raven's Pass aren't "surface specialists", their connections should not fear challenging Curlin on his preferred surface, dirt.

Other suggestions, thoughts, or ideas?

Curlin won three weak dirt races and finished off the board despite leading in the stretch in his last race. Would you vote Notre Dame number one too?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curlin proved he was a length better than Past the Point and wandering boy and a few better than Einstein on the dirt. Those are probably the weakest editions of those races in years. Zenyatta beat nobodies all year except at Oaklawn and the Distaff. Big browns crop wasnt good but he won 2/3rds of the TC pretty handily, easily won the FL derby , was not impressive despite winning the Haskell and beat older horses on a second surface. As a matter of fact I dont think one of Curlins foes on the Dirt all year showed up in a BC race.

Well Armed.

Big Brown's foe in his big turf win at Monmouth ran a very poor third at even moneyish in a G3 Turf Stake at Belmont Saturday. His Haskell foe, Coal Play, got drowned in the G3 Pegusus Friday night at the Meadowlands.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well Armed.

Big Brown's foe in his big turf win at Monmouth ran a very poor third at even moneyish in a G3 Turf Stake at Belmont Saturday. His Haskell foe, Coal Play, got drowned in the G3 Pegusus Friday night at the Meadowlands.

I am not saying he is an outstanding choice but Curlins campaign has hardly been great and Zenyatta beat only fillies. You may not agree he should win but it is pretty hard to keep him from being in the discussion.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am not saying he is an outstanding choice but Curlins campaign has hardly been great and Zenyatta beat only fillies. You may not agree he should win but it is pretty hard to keep him from being in the discussion.

Of course he belongs in the conversation and making an argument for him isn't hard.

I couldn't care less who wins HOY. I am concerned with who wins horse races in the future.....not awards.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course he belongs in the conversation and making an argument for him isn't hard.

I couldn't care less who wins HOY. I am concerned with who wins horse races in the future.....not awards.

well I guess running in the BC is now a must as all the hot air i hear about the award only contains 2 names. I never thought i would be defending big Brown but he has accomplished as much or more than the other two though i would get physically sick if i actually watched the Eclipse awards show regardless of who won.