Oracle - Songster

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

So you figure that Beyer is accurate huh? I highly doubt that Court Folly moved that far forward as compared to his most recent races. I also highly doubt that beating Too Much Bling gets you a one point slower number than losing to Court Folly. Its kind of far fetched. Unless you discount the fact that Court Folly was a complete nothing prior to his latest race. Which I simply cannot do.
Songster was on the track this morning. I didn't really see what he did though. I don't know if he breezed or if he just galloped.

I am talking about his TG number

Originally Posted by Scav

I am talking about his TG number

The only knock I have with any sheet numbers, and have always had, is that when there is a dead rail and you are wide like both of the top two finishers in the Amsterdam, you get credit for being wide when it is in fact a positive. Means you get credit for being wide even though it was indeed the place to be. The inverse is that if you are on a dead rail you don't get any path credit points even though you took the worst of it.
I would caution anyone betting the lats part of this meet and the early part of Belmont Fall to consult with charts and write down the days up here when the rail was no good and inside speed horses were compromised, you better have a lot of ink your pen because their were so damn many. And a few days where the bias was split because of rain that fell during the card or the inverse, when the track started wet and finished dry.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The only knock I have with any sheet numbers, and have always had, is that when there is a dead rail and you are wide like both of the top two finishers in the Amsterdam, you get credit for being wide when it is in fact a positive. Means you get credit for being wide even though it was indeed the place to be. The inverse is that if you are on a dead rail you don't get any path credit points even though you took the worst of it.
I would caution anyone betting the lats part of this meet and the early part of Belmont Fall to consult with charts and write down the days up here when the rail was no good and inside speed horses were compromised, you better have a lot of ink your pen because their were so damn many. And a few days where the bias was split because of rain that fell during the card or the inverse, when the track started wet and finished dry.

This I agree with but TG is usually pretty dead on when the rail is dead, ESPECIALLY in NY, at least in my experience

Originally Posted by Scav

This I agree with but TG is usually pretty dead on when the rail is dead, ESPECIALLY in NY, at least in my experience

Whatever you say chief, all I know is that a horse who couldnt win allowance races beat a horse who beat Too Much Bling(who returned to another 500 grander in his next race). If you truly believe that Court Folly improved that much with no regression from the other horse, well good luck. So you must love Court Folly on Saturday then right? To at least get a piece of it?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Whatever you say chief, all I know is that a horse who couldnt win allowance races beat a horse who beat Too Much Bling(who returned to another 500 grander in his next race). If you truly believe that Court Folly improved that much with no regression from the other horse, well good luck. So you must love Court Folly on Saturday then right? To at least get a piece of it?

Not at all, I am singling HH on every ticket and dropping close to a tuiton bill on him to win

Originally Posted by Scav

Not at all, I am singling HH on every ticket and dropping close to a tuiton bill on him to win

WIthout even knowing how the track is playing? Chance of rain on Friday night into Saturday. Track could be ANYTHING. Better keep an open mind when capping that card to the possibility of different track conditions.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by oracle80

WIthout even knowing how the track is playing? Chance of rain on Friday night into Saturday. Track could be ANYTHING. Better keep an open mind when capping that card to the possibility of different track conditions.

An earthquake, along with a tornado and hurricane like conditions could be going on AT THE SAME TIME, and HH would still win the race by 3 lengths

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Scav

Not at all, I am singling HH on every ticket and dropping close to a tuiton bill on him to win

Scavs.. how much do you think the HH/Bernadini double will pay?