Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[GPK]

I'm thinking after this we can discuss the merits of Jelly Roll Rumble and his chances in the Dirt Marathon

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by GPK

I'm thinking after this we can discuss the merits of Jelly Roll Rumble and his chances in the Dirt Marathon

I'm missing something here. What's wrong with the topic of this thread? Seems useful enough for me.

--Dunbar

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

I'm missing something here. What's wrong with the topic of this thread? Seems useful enough for me.

--Dunbar

It'd be useful if the author, and the contributors, had a CLUE. Last time Fischer gave out a winner, the Berlin Wall was still up. Yet, he insists on offering his opinion on just about everything. Come on Bobby, let's put those PUERILE PACE FIGURES to use. Or that innovative show wagering system.

As for Quiet Chris: how did he escape my iggy bin?

And notice that when Fischer OPINES, DaHoss is not far behind.

[Pedigree Ann]

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

good info.

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Raven's Pass is one tough customer; he doesn't go under without a fight. His losses, apart from those at the straight track at Newmarket, are none of them over 1.5 lengths. He was very good early at 2, and was beaten only a head by champion 2yo and subsequent Derby winner New Approach in the Dewhurst S(G1), which is Britain's championship event for 2yos. He went a long stretch over the spring and summer without a win (behind Henry 3 times), but seemed to have taken heart from his G3 win in August to finally peg back Henry in the QEII and may be maturing later than that one. His half-brother Gigawatt certainly seems to have gone through a 'dead zone' at three after having been a SW at 2 before having his best years as an older horse; he was a dirt horse AND a turf horse.

The major knock against Raven's Pass is that he has never run at a distance beyond 8f. Sire Elusive Quality and half-bro Gigawatt were also milers, so one must wonder about his effectiveness at 10f. But his quality is quite high - they have a darned good group of 3yos in Europe this year - which can carry milers another couple furlongs beyond their optimum trip. And, oh yes, Raven's Pass has also won on a left-handed course.

Oh my god.

[Pedigree Ann]

Which statement do you disagree with?
a) superior milers can win going 10fs - Northern Dancer, Dr. Fager, Precisionist were all essentially milers but could win at longer races because of their quality.
b) the top 3yos in Britain/Ireland/Europe are a darned good group. Sophomores finished 1-2 in both the big wfa mile races in Britain this year; Derby winner New Approach was third in the York International (held at Newmarket because of flooding) after he came out of the gate throwing his head and fighting his jock the first quarter mile, then slaughtered his elders in the Irish Champion and yesterday's Champion S. And don't forget the 3yo filly Zarkava, who won the Arc.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Which statement do you disagree with?
a) superior milers can win going 10fs ...

Yea, European turf horses are pretty much expected to add distance in America...

not sure how unique Raven's Pass is in that regard being by Elusive Quality?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can someone tell me what The Closeted Man just said. He's in my IGGY bin, so I can't read it. Does everyone here know about TRAKUS? I do. What about BIKE RIDING? I know about that too. I have also shown unlimited ways to BLAME OTHERS for my obvious shortcomings when it comes to "gambling". I've also only been following the sport for a few years, but I'll tell you all about it, because I ride a BIKE. I hate ANNOUNCERS. Have I mentioned that before? I also love telling people about MY IGGY BIN. Have I mentioned that? Jerkoff....

Hoss,
I'm trying to find the head on replay of your post.....and I can't .......damn when is the technology going to catch up........crap it must be the jockey's fault.

[Bobby Fischer]

I ride PELOTON daily.

fatman would be great to discuss racing with if he wasn't anti-social

honestly I AM CLUELESS about these 3 euros.
The synthetic track opens some possibilities to turf horses.
Not sure if Santa Anita Pro Ride might be a little more speed friendly than other synthetics, or how the Euros will transfer over.

I don't even have a strong feeling about which is the best of the 3??
Henrythenavigator is starting to get bet at ladbrokes and thegreek...


thegreek
curlin = 2.25/1
Henrythenavigator= 8.25/1
Ravens Pass =10.15/1
Duke of Marmalade = 10.15/1

ladbrokes
curlin = 3/1
Henrythenavigator= 5/1
Ravens Pass =8/1
Duke of Marmalade = 12/1

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Can someone tell me what The Closeted Man just said. He's in my IGGY bin, so I can't read it. Does everyone here know about TRAKUS? I do. What about BIKE RIDING? I know about that too. I have also shown unlimited ways to BLAME OTHERS for my obvious shortcomings when it comes to "gambling". I've also only been following the sport for a few years, but I'll tell you all about it, because I ride a BIKE. I hate ANNOUNCERS. Have I mentioned that before? I also love telling people about MY IGGY BIN. Have I mentioned that? Jerkoff....

top shelf..