Is a vote for Sarah..a vote for Todd as well?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its really crazy about how much we give Isreal and do for them and protect them.

They are a more than competant country.

Our support for Isreal is basically the core reason the Middle East hates us so much.

I honestly think it is because of all the Jewish influence over here. I really hope this does not sound anti-jewish cause I am not at all and this post is not meant to come off that way.

You dont really believe this do you? The thought that we would be "homies" with the Middle east if it weren't for Isreal is so twisted that I cant believe anyone would believe it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You dont really believe this do you? The thought that we would be "homies" with the Middle east if it weren't for Isreal is so twisted that I cant believe anyone would believe it.

Umm, Did I ever say we would be "homies" with them if it werent for Isreal?? You're crazy if you think I believe that. I dont believe that for a second and you are putting words in my mouth.

But I do believe, down to the core, the Middle East hates us (and other western countries) for putting the Jews into Isreal after WWII. And they hate us for supporting Isreal so much by giving them tons of money and weapons. That add to that the whole "Allah wants Americans dead thing." and they dont like our lifestyles and culture. and They are basically jealous of us. Its a lot of things, but I feel our major support of Isreal is #1 to them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Umm, Did I ever say we would be "homies" with them if it werent for Isreal?? You're crazy if you think I believe that. I dont believe that for a second and you are putting words in my mouth.

But I do believe, down to the core, the Middle East hates us (and other western countries) for putting the Jews into Isreal after WWII. And they hate us for supporting Isreal so much by giving them tons of money and weapons. That add to that the whole "Allah wants Americans dead thing." and they dont like our lifestyles and culture. and They are basically jealous of us. Its a lot of things, but I feel our major support of Isreal is #1 to them.

Please stop...

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please stop...

"The combination of unwavering U.S. support for Israel and the related effort to spread democracy throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized U.S. security"

Right from the Harvard article. No different from what I said.

Now if you could offer your own opinion or one of your friends in the governments' opinion, instead of just telling me I'm wrong, I'd like to hear it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

"The combination of unwavering U.S. support for Israel and the related effort to spread democracy throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized U.S. security"

Right from the Harvard article. No different from what I said.

Now if you could offer your own opinion or one of your friends in the governments' opinion, instead of just telling me I'm wrong, I'd like to hear it.

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

I happened to post how I felt about this BEFORE Dala posted the harvard article. Just so happens the harvard article feels pretty similarly to how I feel. Who the fucl< do I think for if not for myself??

[Mortimer]

Enjoy Bosco.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I happened to post how I felt about this BEFORE Dala posted the harvard article. Just so happens the harvard article feels pretty similarly to how I feel. Who the fucl< do I think for if not for myself??

Because you quoted the Harvard story. Do you really think that we should withdraw support for Isreal based on the Arabs and Islam will hate us less arguement?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Harvard article. think for yourself for a change. The despots that rule middle eastern countries use religion to keep the power that they gain. They use US as the reason that the people in those countries are poor. They use US as the bad guys so that the people dont turn their anger against the leaders in their own countries. Bin Laden had no problem partnering with us when it fit his needs. We supported Isreal then too. Be real. Of course the arabs will use our support for Isreal against us to but the fact that places like Saudi arabia which practices the most extreme form of Islam is a US ally because of our protection of them and our buying their oil shows the whole "arabs hate us because of Isreal" falls way down the totem pole.

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Your grasp of the middle east is amusing if not frightening. Right wing propaganda By Reagan and two bushes has created this line of thinking that is completely oblivious to rational thought.

You do realize that the US needs the Saudis at this point in time more than the Saudis need the US.

And according to you all the ME's problems are created by Republicians. LOL.

The middle east region was SO STABLE until Reagan messed it up...

[dalakhani]

For anyone that really wants to understand the issue, a professor from Harvard along with a professor from Chicago University put together this essay. It is a great read if you have the time:

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

Warning: LONG

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

For anyone that really wants to understand the issue, a professor from Harvard along with a professor from Chicago University put together this essay. It is a great read if you have the time:

http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011/$File/rwp_06_011_walt.pdf

Warning: LONG

University professors can be insanely biased and without any background on them it is impossible to determine the validity of their arguements.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

University professors can be insanely biased and without any background on them it is impossible to determine the validity of their arguements.

The two are highly respected scholars from two of the best insitutions in the world and both are stated philo-semites.

But yet, without reading the essay, you are questioning their credentials and the validity of their arguments.

Another level.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The two are highly respected scholars from two of the best insitutions in the world and both are stated philo-semites.

But yet, without reading the essay, you are questioning their credentials and the validity of their arguments.

Another level.

Yeah universities never have radical bents...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

University professors can be insanely biased and without any background on them it is impossible to determine the validity of their arguements.

Here is the resume. Yes, you know more than him too chuck.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/about/fac...y/stephen-walt

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Here is the resume. Yes, you know more than him too chuck.

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/about/fac...y/stephen-walt

I'm sure George Bush and Sarah Palin have more impressive resumes than you yet you seem to feel smarter than they are?

I did not say the guy isnt smart, just potentially biased. You know like favors one side over another and uses his intellegence to try to distort things? Because you know smart people are all straight shooters?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm sure George Bush and Sarah Palin have more impressive resumes than you yet you seem to feel smarter than they are?

I did not say the guy isnt smart, just potentially biased. You know like favors one side over another and uses his intellegence to try to distort things? Because you know smart people are all straight shooters?

Nah, chuck, youve got that smart thing cornered.

The funny thing is that you ASSUME and claim bias without reading what was written. Dispute the facts. Prove the bias.

I can't find anything wrong with what was said in th piece. Can you? And if so, specifically what?

[Mortimer]

I'm staying.