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Old 10-06-2008, 11:31 PM
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It's an indefensible call. Maybe Aybar should've gotten contact (it was inside), but regardless, the call was indefensible.
They made a ton of execution failures in this series(Aybar failing to atleast foul that pitch off was just one of many.) Even if they get the run, then they probably lose the series (somehow.) They've turned into chokes. I mean look at it, dude. FKN how much they paying Guerrero to get extra-base hits in the playoffs? Are any of them hitting for power in the playoffs? Guerrero, MARK Tawhatever, and Hunter are suppose to hit home runs in the post. Didn't do it. So, go home. You gunna rely on fkn Aybar to win a series? LOL..Come on. There's much more wrong than that one play. They're choking in the post. That guy following Lester threw s-h-i-t tonite, and they had chances to hit some fat pitches. They missed them. Catcher missed a fat pitch with Hunter on 1st. That would of made it 4-2. He missed it. I know he hit well last night, but he happens to be the one that got the fattest pitch all night n' he missed it. They didn't execute. Deserve to go home. They are fkn boring, anyways. They are on my cable for free, but I fall asleep trying to watch them.

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Old 10-07-2008, 08:41 AM
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Why was it a bad call by Scioscia, especially with Aybar at the play. Because it didn't work? It was a disgraceful lack of execution by Aybar on a great pitch to bunt. Blaming the manager for a guy not making contact on a bunt in that situation is silly. It was obvious from the first 2 pitches and even the pitch he "attemped" to bunt that they werent giving him much to hit and would have walked him to set up the double play with the painfully slow Anderson coming up. Of course the fact that the Angels had no lefthander in the bullpen to face a lefthanded batter in the 9th was something that the "blame the manager" crowd always overlooks.
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Old 10-07-2008, 10:02 AM
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Why was it a bad call by Scioscia, especially with Aybar at the play. Because it didn't work? It was a disgraceful lack of execution by Aybar on a great pitch to bunt. Blaming the manager for a guy not making contact on a bunt in that situation is silly. It was obvious from the first 2 pitches and even the pitch he "attemped" to bunt that they werent giving him much to hit and would have walked him to set up the double play with the painfully slow Anderson coming up. Of course the fact that the Angels had no lefthander in the bullpen to face a lefthanded batter in the 9th was something that the "blame the manager" crowd always overlooks.



Your not saying that you disagree with Shields being on the mound in that situation I hope, the guy was money all season for them and against the SOx as well. The ball down the right field line was misplayed horribly and certainly wasn't tatooed. Seeing eye single for a run is hardly the guys fault. Soscia is an excellent manager who tends to press a bit much at times but certainly is smart and creative. The squeeze was actually a great call and typical of how the Angels have run all season. If you watch the replay the execution of the bunt was atrocious. The teaching is to get your bat parallel to the ground and actually "catch" the ball with it. The motion he used trying to execute that play was a "jab" and the bat was properly positioned. The Sox might have beaten the best team in the American League this year.
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Old 10-07-2008, 10:28 AM
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Your not saying that you disagree with Shields being on the mound in that situation I hope, the guy was money all season for them and against the SOx as well. The ball down the right field line was misplayed horribly and certainly wasn't tatooed. Seeing eye single for a run is hardly the guys fault. Soscia is an excellent manager who tends to press a bit much at times but certainly is smart and creative. The squeeze was actually a great call and typical of how the Angels have run all season. If you watch the replay the execution of the bunt was atrocious. The teaching is to get your bat parallel to the ground and actually "catch" the ball with it. The motion he used trying to execute that play was a "jab" and the bat was properly positioned. The Sox might have beaten the best team in the American League this year.
with 2 outs in the 9th, you bring in your left hand specialist. Except they dont have one. The guy simply waited on the curve and slapped it. Agreed on the bunt. How can you not make contact... The Angels are good but realistically simply didnt score enough. Kendrick was terrible, they didnt get much out of RF, Anderson wasnt great. Tex and Vlad never got a whole lot to hit. Though Tex will certainly get his $$ after this series. if you ahdn't watched him much before, he was awesome in the field and at bat.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:01 AM
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with 2 outs in the 9th, you bring in your left hand specialist. Except they dont have one. The guy simply waited on the curve and slapped it. Agreed on the bunt. How can you not make contact... The Angels are good but realistically simply didnt score enough. Kendrick was terrible, they didnt get much out of RF, Anderson wasnt great. Tex and Vlad never got a whole lot to hit. Though Tex will certainly get his $$ after this series. if you ahdn't watched him much before, he was awesome in the field and at bat.



I would agree that he is an excellent fielder which for Sox fans puts him with first baseman George the Boomer Scott and Doug Menkevitch for the Red Sox but I would be remiss if Youk wasn't mentioned here. Tex has unbelieveable range and hands for a guy that size. He will get big big money come December. Your boy Garvey was fairly decent with a glove as well.
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Old 10-07-2008, 11:10 AM
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I would agree that he is an excellent fielder which for Sox fans puts him with first baseman George the Boomer Scott and Doug Menkevitch for the Red Sox but I would be remiss if Youk wasn't mentioned here. Tex has unbelieveable range and hands for a guy that size. He will get big big money come December. Your boy Garvey was fairly decent with a glove as well.
Garvey is Scuds boy, not mine. Youk is a really overloked great player.
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:34 PM
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Why was it a bad call by Scioscia, especially with Aybar at the play. Because it didn't work? It was a disgraceful lack of execution by Aybar on a great pitch to bunt. Blaming the manager for a guy not making contact on a bunt in that situation is silly. It was obvious from the first 2 pitches and even the pitch he "attemped" to bunt that they werent giving him much to hit and would have walked him to set up the double play with the painfully slow Anderson coming up. Of course the fact that the Angels had no lefthander in the bullpen to face a lefthanded batter in the 9th was something that the "blame the manager" crowd always overlooks.
To defend this call is to completely ignore momentum and its effects on this game. All Aybar had to do was hit the ball somewhere and the Angels win. Even if he struck out or popped out, Figgins, who's red hot, is on deck. The risk overwhelmingly outweighed the reward. But you've become the biggest curmudgeon on this board, so I'd expect an argument from you. If I told you the sun rose in the east, you'd tell me it actually came from the north northeast.
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:15 PM
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To defend this call is to completely ignore momentum and its effects on this game. All Aybar had to do was hit the ball somewhere and the Angels win. Even if he struck out or popped out, Figgins, who's red hot, is on deck. The risk overwhelmingly outweighed the reward. But you've become the biggest curmudgeon on this board, so I'd expect an argument from you. If I told you the sun rose in the east, you'd tell me it actually came from the north northeast.
Momentum? I have never heard of momentum used as a reason to make a play or not in baseball. I do know that the hitter at bat was far from a cinch to "hit the bal somewhere" as you have put it. The call wasnt the issue, it was the lack of execution. Had the Red Sox been pitching out on that pitch I would have said that it was brilliant on franconas part. But when a major league started cant make contact on a easilly hittable pitch, I find it hard to believe that it is the managers fault. Especially in light of the offensive problems that The Angels have had. You are a typical fan who always blames the manager or coach. They lost because they left a shitload of guy on base during the series, not because a manager called for a squeeze play with a bad hitter. Of course that fact is convientely forgotten. You want to call me a curmudegon yet your point is they had momentum? I thought you would at least told me that someone was in foul trouble or the clock was running out....

It has become a complete waste of time to try to talkabout anything around here because no one seems to want to discuss what happened or why, just call names when they dont agree...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:27 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...-scioscia-game

at least one other guy agrees with me, outside of docicu...
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:38 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...-scioscia-game

at least one other guy agrees with me, outside of docicu...
If it's any consolation, so do I. But being a Brit, what do I know
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:42 PM
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For a team that recorded 100 wins during the regular season, their run differential (+68) wasn't as high as you would think it would be. Then again, the Cubs (+184) led the league in that category...and they are at Scavs celebrating another first round sweep.
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Momentum? I have never heard of momentum used as a reason to make a play or not in baseball. I do know that the hitter at bat was far from a cinch to "hit the bal somewhere" as you have put it. The call wasnt the issue, it was the lack of execution. Had the Red Sox been pitching out on that pitch I would have said that it was brilliant on franconas part. But when a major league started cant make contact on a easilly hittable pitch, I find it hard to believe that it is the managers fault. Especially in light of the offensive problems that The Angels have had. You are a typical fan who always blames the manager or coach. They lost because they left a shitload of guy on base during the series, not because a manager called for a squeeze play with a bad hitter. Of course that fact is convientely forgotten. You want to call me a curmudegon yet your point is they had momentum? I thought you would at least told me that someone was in foul trouble or the clock was running out....

It has become a complete waste of time to try to talkabout anything around here because no one seems to want to discuss what happened or why, just call names when they dont agree...

Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways
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Old 10-07-2008, 03:33 PM
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Hell...you gave my boy away and I didn't even call you a name. At least not to your face anyways
I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..
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I can get him back and send him to you..

then I can be called an indian giver too..

It's okay. I know how sensitive you are to being called names...
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