Curlin's Legacy

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

No, just not a big dosage person. I prefer to look at how a horse peforms on the track and then form an opinion in cases like this. You watched Hard Spun run. Did you think he was a mile and a half on the turf kind of horse? As most would agree he probably would have been a very good turf miler. I just never saw him as a 12 furlong horse and nothing he did on the track would prove otherwise.

people keep saying turf miler, why ? ? because everyone thinks it, he was a world class horse on the dirt, and never went on turf, he won the Kings Bishop and was super competitive in the biggest races of the year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hrfan

people keep saying turf miler, why ? ? because everyone thinks it, he was a world class horse on the dirt, and never went on turf, he won the Kings Bishop and was super competitive in the biggest races of the year.

no doubt due to his breeding.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by hrfan

people keep saying turf miler, why ? ? because everyone thinks it, he was a world class horse on the dirt, and never went on turf, he won the Kings Bishop and was super competitive in the biggest races of the year.

In part because his sire Danzig was a great sire of turf milers.

I spoke for 20 minutes with Larry Jones while standing in the Saratoga stakes barn with Hard Spun. Larry felt he would have been a monster on grass and mentioned conformation points plus temperament/manageability reasons why he felt this was. Larry knew more about this colt than the colt did and I tend to believe his assessment of his horse.
Larry indicated that after his maiden, Larry hoped to talk Porter into agreeing to try grass. After the stud deal was announced, one of Jone's biggest disappointments was that he was never going to get to go on grass.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Linny

Larry felt he would have been a monster on grass and mentioned conformation points plus temperament/manageability reasons why he felt this was. Larry knew more about this colt than the colt did and I tend to believe his assessment of his horse.
Larry indicated that after his maiden, Larry hoped to talk Porter into agreeing to try grass. After the stud deal was announced, one of Jone's biggest disappointments was that he was never going to get to go on grass.

Yeah

Another PERFECT TRIP needing MONSTER. When did this horse ever RUN when he didn't have it all his own way? So, yeah, put him on a real firm turf, with tight turns, get him on the hedge or in a race with no other speed AND he's a MONSTER.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Yeah

Another PERFECT TRIP needing MONSTER. When did this horse ever RUN when he didn't have it all his own way? So, yeah, put him on a real firm turf, with tight turns, get him on the hedge or in a race with no other speed AND he's a MONSTER.

Seriously, this is a ridiculous statement. When did he NOT run? How about never, besides the Belmont Stakes which we all know is an auto-toss for most horses?

The horse won a G1, 2 G2's, a G3, and ran 2nd in the country's two biggest races. What else do you want?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by philcski

Seriously, this is a ridiculous statement. When did he NOT run? How about never, besides the Belmont Stakes which we all know is an auto-toss for most horses?

The horse won a G1, 2 G2's, a G3, and ran 2nd in the country's two biggest races. What else do you want?

Thank you, Phil ... I would honestly say the only time I didn't see the horse try 100% was in the Southwest.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Linny

In part because his sire Danzig was a great sire of turf milers.

Coincidentally, this was on display this afternoon.

The winner of the First Lady (Forever something) is by Belong To Me, who as a racehorse was a sprinter and I don't believe ever tried the turf. However, he is a son of Danzig, and sure enough this horse improved significantly with a switch in her last 5 starts to turf.

Also, the multiple grass stakes winning 3yo contesting the Canadian International tomorrow (forgot the name) is by Langfuhr, another non-turf starting son of Danzig.

Other sons of Danzig that never started on turf but got their share of grass runners were Honor Grades, regional sire Game Plan (CA), Polish Numbers, Polish Navy, and Pine Bluff.

Shug McGaughey practically made a career out of resurrecting highly-touted sons of Danzig by putting them on turf, namely Lure, Furiously, and Strolling Along. War Chant is another good example from Neil Drysdale's barn.

It wouldn't have been hard to imagine Hard Spun following in those footsteps (up to a mile anyways).

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Coincidentally, this was on display this afternoon.

The winner of the First Lady (Forever something) is by Belong To Me, who as a racehorse was a sprinter and I don't believe ever tried the turf. However, he is a son of Danzig, and sure enough this horse improved significantly with a switch in her last 5 starts to turf.

Also, the multiple grass stakes winning 3yo contesting the Canadian International tomorrow (forgot the name) is by Langfuhr, another non-turf starting son of Danzig.

Other sons of Danzig that never started on turf but got their share of grass runners were Honor Grades, regional sire Game Plan (CA), Polish Numbers, Polish Navy, and Pine Bluff.

Shug McGaughey practically made a career out of resurrecting highly-touted sons of Danzig by putting them on turf, namely Lure, Furiously, and Strolling Along. War Chant is another good example from Neil Drysdale's barn.

It wouldn't have been hard to imagine Hard Spun following in those footsteps (up to a mile anyways).

was it forever together? danzig got it all, he could sire just about anything. turfers, dirt, long, short. shame he was born too soon, he probably would have ruled the synthetic roost as well.
and got 200 stakes winners on about 40 mare books.