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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If Companies suddenly decided to pass along all of those corporate tax breaks to the middle class (as supply side/trickle down econ suggests) statistics say that would be a big departure from what has happened since 1980. Do you really think that is going to happen? You seem like an intelligent person. Why would you believe this?

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I run a business. If i were given a tax break i would not give my customers lower prices but I may keep my prices the same which over a period of years is in effect passing along my good fortune. This hatred of business is misplaced.

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

[ArlJim78]

nothing wrong with Reaganomics or greed, the only problem was that spending was supposed to be controlled, and that never happened.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

nothing wrong with Reaganomics or greed, the only problem was that spending was supposed to be controlled, and that never happened.

you mean like when you get a raise, which means more money-so you go buy something else that you can suddenly afford? never get ahead that way.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...inc/f07ar.html




Do you realize that from 1980 to 2006 median Wages, adjusted for inflation, had only risen 10k? Do you realize in the 26 years prior, wages had almost DOUBLED?

If the middle class is living far greater, it is purely on credit. HMMMMM...I wonder if we have a credit problem going on right now?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/82

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/incom...inc/f07ar.html




Do you realize that from 1980 to 2006 median Wages, adjusted for inflation, had only risen 10k? Do you realize in the 26 years prior, wages had almost DOUBLED?

If the middle class is living far greater, it is purely on credit. HMMMMM...I wonder if we have a credit problem going on right now?

Yeah people who spend beyond their means using credit are victims...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah people who spend beyond their means using credit are victims...

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

Just curious...but don't you believe there is such a thing as sacraficing in times like that?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Have you ever considerred that they are spending beyond their means because wages have been stagnant while everything else has gone up?

Clinton and the Bushies luv NAFTA.


b-b-b-but Clinton!!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So basically greed is counteracted by heavy taxation? This is a global ecomomy now. The more you tax big business, the less incentive there is to keep jobs here. The middle class is pandered to and told how bad they have it yet the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

very true. capital gains taxes, which obama wants to raise ( the EVIL rich are such easy targets) and any other tax that impedes investment here, and business growth here, is not good in the long run for anyone here. but at least obama and his ilk would feel better about how they robbed from the rich to give to the poor.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

very true. capital gains taxes, which obama wants to raise ( the EVIL rich are such easy targets) and any other tax that impedes investment here, and business growth here, is not good in the long run for anyone here. but at least obama and his ilk would feel better about how they robbed from the rich to give to the poor.

The notion that a five percent hike is going to impede investment is beyond laughable. For the record, Obama's plan on long term capital gains is for between 20-28%. The 20% is exactly where Reagan had them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

The notion that a five percent hike is going to impede investment is beyond laughable. For the record, Obama's plan on long term capital gains is for between 20-28%. The 20% is exactly where Reagan had them.

weren't you bashing reaganomics earlier? it's funny how many ideas obama keeps getting from the very group he's trying to save us from.
great, hit the rich-sounds good. and then more programs that they pay for, so no debt gets paid down, no change in the deficit. more of the same. i read the laundry list of stuff he wants, and you think that cap gains increase alone will pay for it?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

weren't you bashing reaganomics earlier? it's funny how many ideas obama keeps getting from the very group he's trying to save us from.
great, hit the rich-sounds good. and then more programs that they pay for, so no debt gets paid down, no change in the deficit. more of the same. i read the laundry list of stuff he wants, and you think that cap gains increase alone will pay for it?

For some reason you have a hard time comprehending Obama's tax policy. I dont know if its out of stubborness or an illogical yearning to stay ignorant on the subject but for some reason you dont want to take the time to research and learn....but yet you still want to attempt to discuss it.

Who said it was cap gains alone? Who said he is "getting ideas from the very group he's trying to save us from"? These statements demonstrate a total lack of knowledge on the subject at hand.

www.factcheck.org

Scuds it sounds like you think Z and I are rolling in the bucks and defending the wealthy. You make the whole poor v. rich thing sound like it is so simple. Bill Clinton knocked more people off of welfare than any other president. He put them to work, essentially made them work with a swift kick in the behind from a Rep. congress.
I am one of the silly people that think working and working hard, is a very rewarding experience if you do what you like. Even if you dont make much money. Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. And we better wake up because the types of jobs that will be required to make enough money in this country to live in relative comfort require a brain that functions.

Sorry for the silly personal stuff that I wrote, but sometimes its required so you get an idea where a poster is coming from. Its embarassing but necessary.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the middle class lives far greater than it did 40 years ago.

For a m.c. family to live at the same level, the wife has to work. Every day they stop in front of my house, and take the kids into the house of some lady across the street(I doubt that loudmouth is even licensed.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There is no hatred of business. I am a capitalist. Its just that i realize the failed experiment of Reaganomics. Supply side economics, Reaganomics or Trickle down has done nothing but erode the middle class and create enormous swirling deficit. What more evidence do you need that it doesnt work?

"I MAY keep my prices the same" isnt that the same as saying that you MAY NOT? And isnt that the problem? When given the choice, human nature tends toward greed. Not for all, but certainly for a majority. This is indisputable.

This is why these programs had to be started in the 1st place(human nature tends toward greed, and without this evil gov't intrusion, you would just have the rich and the poor.) That is exactly what you would see(very rich n' very poor.)

[Mortimer]

A government employee observing you in each and every home....or no government at all.


Vote for one...I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.




And don't tell me not to read it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I'm sick of all the arguing....more so the preposterous posts.

That's a lie.

[Mortimer]

And so....so what?