Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

There's no use arguing with you because you don't know what you're talking about. You're so in love with this horse that you bet him at 1/5, and have no historical perspective that would help you understand why Big Brown isn't "great."

So I bet him at 1/5. Is that crazy?...Yes. Did I bet a fortune? No. Did having a little action on him make the race more enjoyable for me to watch on ESPNC? Absolutely! What is wrong with that? Plus he won. And if he didn't, then no big deal because I have won hundreds on him this year. I'd still have a plentiful surplus.

Historical perspective is something I am learning admittedly. I am not comparing him to the greats of the past or the greats of the past that I don't even know about. By standing up for his accomplishments thus far against a tenured crowd who is giving him very little respect is something I choose to believe in. Don't confuse that with being in love with the horse.

But I do love learning about this sport which I prefer over being insulted.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

So I bet him at 1/5. Is that crazy?...Yes. Did I bet a fortune? No. Did having a little action on him make the race more enjoyable for me to watch on ESPNC? Absolutely! What is wrong with that? Plus he won. And if he didn't, then no big deal because I have won hundreds on him this year. I'd still have a plentiful surplus.

Historical perspective is something I am learning admittedly. I am not comparing him to the greats of the past or the greats of the past that I don't even know about. By standing up for his accomplishments thus far against a tenured crowd who is giving him very little respect is something I choose to believe in. Don't confuse that with being in love with the horse.

But I do love learning about this sport which I prefer over being insulted.

So you admit to not knowing what you're talking about, and acknowledge that others know more, but refuse to listen to them when they say this horse isn't great?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

So you admit to not knowing what you're talking about, and acknowledge that others know more, but refuse to listen to them when they say this horse isn't great?

I asked if he would be great if he wins BCC? Not sure if anyone agrees with me, or no one has so far in that scenario. I happen to think he will be great with the year he had. It is not Big Brown's fault that the quality of his competition does not satisfy you or anybody else.

The fact is, with the exception of The Belmont (and I think there are a lot of people including myself that would love to know what really went wrong), he will have won every race if he wins the BCC. He was hurt early as a three year old so his next race he had to heal. Then he raced three times in five weeks. Who else did that? The Haskell was two months later but that is because Big Brown had issues that needed to be looked into so there was no risk in endangering the horse. One more race before the BCC makes sense to me. That is a very solid attendance record for racing this year.

PS....Since Big Brown beat Da'Tara by over 30 lengths at FL Derby, isn't that a pretty good indicator that something was clearly wrong at The Belmont. Some say yeah, he was washed up. Very unfair to the Derby and Preakness champion.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

PS....Since Big Brown beat Da'Tara by over 30 lengths at FL Derby, isn't that a pretty good indicator that something was clearly wrong at The Belmont. Some say yeah, he was washed up. Very unfair to the Derby and Preakness champion.

Nobody's arguing against that part. . . it's not his loss that doesn't make him great - it's that his good performances aren't good enough.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Nobody's arguing against that part. . . it's not his loss that doesn't make him great - it's that his good performances aren't good enough.

So can I throw it back at you what did he need to do in those wins for him to gain some accolades? Should he have won by 50 lengths in each race?

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

So can I throw it back at you what did he need to do in those wins for him to gain some accolades? Should he have won by 50 lengths in each race?

Against those horses? Probably. . . He could run faster races for starters. . .

[RollerDoc]

I guess I just feel like I am on the Big Brown Titanic and it has hit the iceberg. I find it very interesting that if you would research the many positive posts about Big Brown on this Board (especially after the Preakness leading up to the Belmont), there were plenty of different tunes back then.
Now some say he is Big Crap or similar references.

I for one will not jump ship on this horse unless I witness him being beaten soundly in a race. Belmont doesn't count (officially it does) since he was right there before being pulled up.

And if he does lose before going to stud, then he loses with a fairly solid season in 2008.

But be careful naysayers! If he does win in his next race and the BCC, won't that make him Eclipse and HOY winner? That can't sit too well for you

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

So can I throw it back at you what did he need to do in those wins for him to gain some accolades? Should he have won by 50 lengths in each race?

i'd bring up cigar and ask whom big brown was supposed to beat if i was you. that's assuming a fictional you that knows who cigar is.

and it's a completely fraudulent comparison.

but it would be fun to see how people answered. excellent work with the poking stick so far. i don't know why i'm giving you advise. you're doing just fine.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'd bring up cigar and ask whom big brown was supposed to beat if i was you. that's assuming a fictional you that knows who cigar is.

and it's a completely fraudulent comparison.

but it would be fun to see how people answered. excellent work with the poking stick so far. i don't know why i'm giving you advise. you're doing just fine.

I'm not sure if I can answer since I am not fictional. But I do like your avatar.

[Danzig]

so, if we ignore actual talent and ability, as well as level of competition. ignore history, ignore everything we've ever seen in the past...and go only by a horses win record....right?...



looks like peppers pride is going to be HOTY. at the very least, she ought to get top distaffer.