Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

OK that was a fair challenge and I have no comeback. You didn't say mediocre, I did. At the same time, I think you are equally as off by using the word ordinary for Big Brown. At least he's got to be a "good" horse?

But I do pledge this to you and everybody else who is not a believer in Big Brown. If Big Brown wins the Breeders Cup Classic....he will be considered a great horse.

huh?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

huh?

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

[hockey2315]

Why would he be "great" if he beats more bad horses in the BC? The only way you could even make an argument for him being "great" - which in my opinion is a waste of time anyways - is if he were to face Curlin and beat him on dirt. . . which he could never do.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Why would he be "great" if he beats more bad horses in the BC? The only way you could even make an argument for him being "great" - which in my opinion is a waste of time anyways - is if he were to face Curlin and beat him on dirt. . . which he could never do.

I'm pretty certain that Big Brown will be in a race featuring the best of the best which is the whole purpose of this race. Hopefully this weeds out the bad horses.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I'm pretty certain that Big Brown will be in a race featuring the best of the best which is the whole purpose of this race. Hopefully this weeds out the bad horses.

There's no use arguing with a clueless Big Brown groupie like you. . .

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

There's no use arguing with a clueless Big Brown groupie like you. . .

Arguing.....Look who's talking Mr. Huh? Great argument on your part. At least you are good at insulting.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Arguing.....Look who's talking Mr. Huh? Great argument on your part. At least you are good at insulting.

There's no use arguing with you because you don't know what you're talking about. You're so in love with this horse that you bet him at 1/5, and have no historical perspective that would help you understand why Big Brown isn't "great."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

no. he'll be a multiple grade one winner, but that doesn't automatically make him great. lucky maybe, but not great.


look at it this way...if i win the powerball when it's a quarter of a billion dollars, i'd be rich. does that mean i'm the equivalent of warren buffet?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

I have bet him five races so far. The last five. I missed the Allowance race if I am correct but not sure if that was his first.

If there was a way to bet against your Top 3 TC in the last 10 year statement, I would take some serious cash from you. You are really putting all 30 of those horses or duplicates against beating Big Brown every time? C'mon.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I have bet him five races so far. The last five. I missed the Allowance race if I am correct but not sure if that was his first.

If there was a way to bet against your Top 3 TC in the last 10 year statement, I would take some serious cash from you. You are really putting all 30 of those horses or duplicates against beating Big Brown every time? C'mon.

HES OK . thats it..this is by far the worst year for good horses ie running even close to normal speed figs as a whole. 95 perc of the tc horses this year cant break a 102 beyer..

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

did you bet him in his first start..on the turf ..i did ..hes ok but any top 3 runner in ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS WOULD SMOKE HIM.

this is a insane statement hooves. ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? Are you fing kidding me???

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is a insane statement hooves. ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? Are you fing kidding me???

i'm sure he was thinking of sarava when he typed that.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is a insane statement hooves. ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? Are you fing kidding me???

I think hes being sarcastic or was stoned when he wrote this!
Didnt that Ramsey horse Nolans Rat run 3rd in the Belmont?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is a insane statement hooves. ANY TC RACE IN THE LAST 10 YEARS?? Are you fing kidding me???

is it really..look at the other horses .. give me your weakest year befor this one..

[skippy3481]

Dunbar, I may have mistyped what i meant to say. A horse needs to be impressive in a majority or his or her races. A horse is still an aminal who is apt to have a bad day. However, when ones start to string those unimpressive performances together, you end with a horse who is good but not great.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

is it really..look at the other horses .. give me your weakest year befor this one..

Yes, it is.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

I think that equates into a great year.. but I dont know about a "great" horse. Peoples definitions of "great" vary. If your definition of "great" means top 100 horse of all time, then Big Brown doesnt fit. not even close. If your definition of "great" is winning the Florida Derby, Kentucky Derby, Preakness, and Haskell... then Big Brown is "great". Its very subjective. Dont feel bad everyone here gives everyone crap about their opinions (myself included).

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Not sure why you are stumped? So he would not be great IF he wins two Triple Crown Races, Two Grade One Races, and the BCC?

Consider this horse:

1978 PLEASANT COLONY,Dkbbr,c,His Majesty 2 14 6 3 1 965,383 71.10
DP = 7-1-25-1-4 DI = 1.17 CD = 0.16
At 2 Won Remsen S. -G2 (100,000), 2nd Pilgrim S. (50,000)
At 3 Won Kentucky Derby -G1 (200,000), Preakness S. -G1 (200,000),
Woodward S. -G1 (200,000), Wood Memorial -G1 (150,000), 2nd Travers S. -G1 (200,000), Fountain Of Youth S. -G3 (65,000), 3rd Belmont S. -G1 (200,000)

A very nice 3yo, beat his elders in the Woodward (10f and more important in those days, not just a rerun of the Whitney), no BC Classic around for him then. But not a great horse by anyone's calculation.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

huh?