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Old 08-08-2008, 04:28 AM
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[quote=smuthg]why no Red Rocks or Better Talk Now? QUOTE]

THey are both much better at 11f or 12f than at 10f. One would think that the one furlong wouldn't make that much difference, but 9-10f grass races are run differently from longer races.
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:10 AM
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Arlington Million
1. Archipenko, de Kock, Shea, 2-1
2. Stream Cat, Arnold, Leparoux, 8-1
3. Spirit One (FR), Demercastel, Mendizabal, 10-1
4. Sudan (IRE), Frankel, Velazquez, 8-1
5. Cloudy's Knight, Kirby, Zimmerman, 20-1
6. Einstein (BRZ), Pitts, Albarado, 7-2
7. Mount Nelson, O'Brien, Murtagh, 5-2
8. Silverfoot, Stewart, Douglas, 20-1

Beverly D.
1. Dreaming of Anna, Catalano, Gomez, 7-2
2. Rosinka (IRE), Motion, Dominguez, 8-1
3. Precious Kitten, Frankel, Bejarano, 9-5
4. Mauralakana (FR), Clement, Desormeaux, 3-1
5. Ciao, Kirby, Velazquez, 30-1
6. Meribel, Pitts, Albarado, 20-1
7. Toque De Queda, Delzangles, Murtagh, 30-1
8. Communique, Arnold, Douglas, 12-1
9. Cicerole (FR), Rouget, Mendizabal, 6-1

Secretariat
1. Prime Realestate, Catalano, Fires, 10-1
2. Winchester, Weld, Douglas, 10-1
3. Plan, O'Brien, Murtagh, 5-2
4. Strait of Mewsina (IRE), Rivelli, Baird, 30-1
5. Snoose Goose, Robertson, Albarado, 20-1
6. Tizdejavu, Fox, Gomez, 6-5
7. Your Round, Hubley, Velazquez, 8-1
8. Sr. Henry, Stidham, Razo Jr., 12-1
9. Secret Getaway, Stidham, Wilson, 10-1
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Old 08-07-2008, 09:27 AM
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Well...without looking at the past performances, I can surmise the 3 that will be bet hard in here are Archipenko, Mount Nelson and Einstein. I don't think the others have much of a chance at first glance, so as I said before I have never heard of the French horse but I hope he's a good one. He's got the right Jockey as he looks like the possible overlay in here.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:10 PM
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Well...without looking at the past performances, I can surmise the 3 that will be bet hard in here are Archipenko, Mount Nelson and Einstein. I don't think the others have much of a chance at first glance, so as I said before I have never heard of the French horse but I hope he's a good one. He's got the right Jockey as he looks like the possible overlay in here.
Every Euro I've talked to over here, including a couple from the Racing Post, say the French runner isn't much. He'll need the race of his life to win this and rates below plenty of the American runners.

If you want an angle, there's not much speed at all, and he and Sudan should be able to go slowly up front.....still doubt he hangs around past the eighth pole.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:12 PM
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Every Euro I've talked to over here, including a couple from the Racing Post, say the French runner isn't much. He'll need the race of his life to win this and rates below plenty of the American runners.

If you want an angle, there's not much speed at all, and he and Sudan should be able to go slowly up front.....still doubt he hangs around past the eighth pole.
He worries me now seeing the race on paper. I still think Archipenko guns him down.

I will admit that I am surprised on how 'fast' Stream Cat is on the sheets. Still can't see him winning the Million though.
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Old 08-07-2008, 01:19 PM
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He worries me now seeing the race on paper. I still think Archipenko guns him down.

I will admit that I am surprised on how 'fast' Stream Cat is on the sheets. Still can't see him winning the Million though.
I think its Mt. Nelson, Stream Cat, or Archipenko...not in that order.

But, by the end of writing the race last night, I called Sudan the sleeper, because he seems quick enough on his very very best day, and I just don't see him getting pressed very much early.
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Old 08-07-2008, 02:01 PM
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Every Euro I've talked to over here, including a couple from the Racing Post, say the French runner isn't much. He'll need the race of his life to win this and rates below plenty of the American runners.

If you want an angle, there's not much speed at all, and he and Sudan should be able to go slowly up front.....still doubt he hangs around past the eighth pole.
The last time I can remember him looking good was in the Criterium International (... but that was in like 2006).

Don't think much of him either...
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Old 08-09-2008, 06:24 PM
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[quote=brianwspencer]Every Euro I've talked to over here, including a couple from the Racing Post, say the French runner isn't much. He'll need the race of his life to win this and rates below plenty of the American runners.

b dub .. nevr trust a euro..
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Old 08-09-2008, 08:18 PM
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Every Euro I've talked to over here, including a couple from the Racing Post, say the French runner isn't much. He'll need the race of his life to win this and rates below plenty of the American runners.

b dub .. nevr trust a euro..
well for what it's worth -- that was written and discussed before Sudan scratched.....

i hate to redboard, but you can ask Tom or anyone out there at AP, that the second Sudan scratched, this horse became a must bet in my book as the lone speed, and certainly got bet.

If Sudan is in that race, this horse finishes fifth at best.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:16 AM
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Sudan is out. Pace scenario even murkier now....
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:17 AM
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Sudan is out. Pace scenario even murkier now....
Anyone saying why?
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:19 AM
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Anyone saying why?
Injury, but Frankel doesn't want to talk to anyone.

I believe the most anyone has gotten out of him is four words that basically say - He's hurt. Not running.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:22 AM
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Injury, but Frankel doesn't want to talk to anyone.

I believe the most anyone has gotten out of him is four words that basically say - He's hurt. Not running.
Shea is going to put Archipenko RIGHT behind Spirit One.....Spirit One supposedly has some speed
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:25 AM
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Shea is going to put Archipenko RIGHT behind Spirit One.....Spirit One supposedly has some speed
He just inherited the front end, for sure.

Talked to Shea with a couple of other folks...he LOVES this horse and is even more sure than you that Archipenko wins this. He talked about how push-button he is and how the blinkers have helped him settle down a ton. Said he can put him literally wherever he wants him.
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Old 08-08-2008, 02:24 PM
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UK Racing Post has 4 book makers up.

They are pretty much making Mt. Nelson and Archepenko co-favorites right now.
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Old 08-08-2008, 07:28 PM
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4th: Elle Society
8th:tri box Your Round/Tiz Dejavu/Secret Getaway
9tth: Dreaming of Anna
10th: Stream Cat
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:30 PM
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Secretariat Stakes (8th)

Plan
Tizdejavu
Secret Getaway
Your Round

Beverly D. Stakes (9th)

Communique
Dreaming of Anna
Mauralakana
Precious Kitten

Arlington Million (10th)

Mount Nelson
Einstein
Archipenko
Spirit One

Pick #3 play - 3/9 - 1/3/4/8 - 6/7
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Old 08-09-2008, 07:23 AM
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Arlington Million

1. Spirit One (FR)
2. Einstein
3. Archipenko
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Old 08-09-2008, 04:52 PM
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1. Spirit One (FR)
2. Einstein
3. Archipenko

Cha ching...

Hope you laid it down for the win.
Good job.
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Old 08-09-2008, 09:46 PM
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1. Spirit One (FR)
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