Harvey Pack should know

[Stall Mucker]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Methinks Stall Mucker is upset that Jake Romans was on air and she can't seem to get a job on air, although I can't imagine being jealous of a little kid. Just a thought.

Just to make sure your thought doesn't go to far astray.....She is a He and He is responsible for the air.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

andy can you get indian charlie.. i want to see parasella go after him "live" after his comments .

[Linny]

Stall Mucker's premise is correct. I wouldn't go so far as to say the kid was exploited as Jake surely knows his stuff and seemed to be having a good time.

The issue is that this is a show aired on the OTB TV network and unlike the track, OTB is not about "family fun" or bringing the kids out for a day, it's about betting and it is in fact illegal to bring a child into an OTB facility in NY. (I have an 8yo son and don't get me started, I can't take him into an OTB to cash a ticket but I can take him to a place peddling lottery and or quick draw.)

Far be it from me to preach about children gambling as I have played poker with teenagers regularly for years and have sometimes funded the kids for friendly games. I've shown the same kids how to read the PP's and taken them to the track.
That said, I see SM's point. OTB's around NY are under a great deal of scrutiny from regulators in the state and from outside anti-gambling forces. No matter how skilled he is, placing a 10 (?) year old kid on a handicapping panel to select horses for a show going over the TV airwaves (cable, literally) on a network run by an OTB corporation may have been less than ideal judgement. Had the Siro's show been simply an "in-house" deal for those in attendance, it would be less of a big deal.

As for the morning shows on TV-12, no employee or representative of Capital OTB has anything to do with the production of the AM Saratoga show. There have been some problems with the new microphones but some folks have overcome the problems. The NYC show is produced by an entirely different crew from the Capital shows (Newsdesk, HNC, Call to the Post, Down the Stretch and Trackfacts) but all use the same equipment.

As to "personalities," there is no use in arguing. You are not likely to like everyone any network puts on the air. As BTW will attest, you cannot please everyone and there is no point in trying. I will say this, Anthony does shoot for the fences but he backs it up and bets his longshots. The "dart thrower" on the phone is Dick Powell, who is hitting at a very high ROI this meet and have given out several big priced horses. Ignore him at your own risk. In fact, if I were producing the show, I'd give Dick far MORE time on air to explain his selections.

[Gander]

Anthony Mormino is freaking awesome at handicapping. And hes first rate in front of the camera too. He comes up with more big priced winners than anyone I have ever seen and he shares them before the races, not afraid people will crush his prices.
I enjoy his show all year long and I am thrilled to see it still airs during the Toga meet. I never miss it.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Linny

Stall Mucker's premise is correct. I wouldn't go so far as to say the kid was exploited as Jake surely knows his stuff and seemed to be having a good time.

The issue is that this is a show aired on the OTB TV network and unlike the track, OTB is not about "family fun" or bringing the kids out for a day, it's about betting and it is in fact illegal to bring a child into an OTB facility in NY. (I have an 8yo son and don't get me started, I can't take him into an OTB to cash a ticket but I can take him to a place peddling lottery and or quick draw.)

Far be it from me to preach about children gambling as I have played poker with teenagers regularly for years and have sometimes funded the kids for friendly games. I've shown the same kids how to read the PP's and taken them to the track.
That said, I see SM's point. OTB's around NY are under a great deal of scrutiny from regulators in the state and from outside anti-gambling forces. No matter how skilled he is, placing a 10 (?) year old kid on a handicapping panel to select horses for a show going over the TV airwaves (cable, literally) on a network run by an OTB corporation may have been less than ideal judgement. Had the Siro's show been simply an "in-house" deal for those in attendance, it would be less of a big deal.

As for the morning shows on TV-12, no employee or representative of Capital OTB has anything to do with the production of the AM Saratoga show. There have been some problems with the new microphones but some folks have overcome the problems. The NYC show is produced by an entirely different crew from the Capital shows (Newsdesk, HNC, Call to the Post, Down the Stretch and Trackfacts) but all use the same equipment.

As to "personalities," there is no use in arguing. You are not likely to like everyone any network puts on the air. As BTW will attest, you cannot please everyone and there is no point in trying. I will say this, Anthony does shoot for the fences but he backs it up and bets his longshots. The "dart thrower" on the phone is Dick Powell, who is hitting at a very high ROI this meet and have given out several big priced horses. Ignore him at your own risk. In fact, if I were producing the show, I'd give Dick far MORE time on air to explain his selections.

Thank You! I had no problem with Jake on the show, but to slam Capital OTB or NYC OTB for that matter is out of line. They all do a job, it's their opinion....you can agree or disagree with thier style or opinion but respect the job they do for the sport they love. It easy to comment on something that you haven't done before and slam them....that doesn't take anything but jealously. It was just an opinion about the show, no more than anybody else has here.

[Gander]

Why would anyone want to drag a child to a race track or an OTB? Its a place for adults. Children should be out doing things they can only do while they are young like playing ball and fooling around with teenage girls. Its why our society has gone to hell and why Andy Roddick is the #1 American player, becasue kids stopped being kids and parents are the ones to blame. We dont get Sampras, Agassi, Chang and Courier anymore. We get James Blake, Mardy Fish and Robby Ginepri. Teenage kids at the OTBs instead of at tennis academies.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why would anyone want to drag a child to a race track or an OTB? Its a place for adults. Children should be out doing things they can only do while they are young like playing ball and fooling around with teenage girls. Its why our society has gone to hell and why Andy Roddick is the #1 American player, becasue kids stopped being kids and parents are the ones to blame. We dont get Sampras, Agassi, Chang and Courier anymore. We get James Blake, Mardy Fish and Robby Ginepri. Teenage kids at the OTBs instead of at tennis academies.

Are you serious?

[Gander]

About the teenage girls? Of course. And Andy Roddick even more so. The guy is the most overrated athlete of all time. If he was playing in the 90's he wouldnt be in the top 75. Have you watched him play?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by philcski

Are you serious?

I can't believe he mentioned Chang and Courrier in the same sentence with Agassi and Sampras

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Gander

Why would anyone want to drag a child to a race track or an OTB? Its a place for adults. Children should be out doing things they can only do while they are young like playing ball and fooling around with teenage girls. Its why our society has gone to hell and why Andy Roddick is the #1 American player, becasue kids stopped being kids and parents are the ones to blame. We dont get Sampras, Agassi, Chang and Courier anymore. We get James Blake, Mardy Fish and Robby Ginepri. Teenage kids at the OTBs instead of at tennis academies.

Everyone here on this board has a love/passion for racing. So what's wrong with trying to pass that love to your children? We all talk about how there is no young blood in the sport. Well we are trying to teach the next generation of fans. It is not about teaching my son about gambling, it's about teaching him about the differnt aspects of racing. My son and I do plenty of things and go to the track is one of them.

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Everyone here on this board has a love/passion for racing. So what's wrong with trying to pass that love to your children? We all talk about how there is no young blood in the sport. Well we are trying to teach the next generation of fans. It is not about teaching my son about gambling, it's about teaching him about the differnt aspects of racing. My son and I do plenty of things and go to the track is one of them.

Its darn fun. We had a blast at the track.
There were all sorts of petting zoos, live music, petting the ponies.
And my daughter played every sport as a kid so it was a good outlet.
Not like I drug her there every weekend, she wanted to go.

I think Gander might be used to seeing the gambling addicts who drag their
little bitty kids to an OTB and set them in a corner telling them to
sit still and shut up and the kids then run around bugging everyone
cause there is nothing to do. Ive seen this aspect during the off season
simulcasting. And its not good.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Everyone here on this board has a love/passion for racing. So what's wrong with trying to pass that love to your children? We all talk about how there is no young blood in the sport. Well we are trying to teach the next generation of fans. It is not about teaching my son about gambling, it's about teaching him about the differnt aspects of racing. My son and I do plenty of things and go to the track is one of them.

i wouldn't take little kids, but mine are older, the youngest almost 17. future racing fans to keep the sport going in the future.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Thank You! I had no problem with Jake on the show, but to slam Capital OTB or NYC OTB for that matter is out of line. They all do a job, it's their opinion....you can agree or disagree with thier style or opinion but respect the job they do for the sport they love. It easy to comment on something that you haven't done before and slam them....that doesn't take anything but jealously. It was just an opinion about the show, no more than anybody else has here.

Ever watch MSG? The guy on the commercials looks exactly like you.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Ever watch MSG? The guy on the commercials looks exactly like you.

What or which commerical? Usually watch MSG plus for the race replays, the only time I watch MSG is on Wednesday nights for; you guess it.....WWE MSG Classics! Surely not to watch the Knicks !

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

What or which commerical? Usually watch MSG plus for the race replays, the only time I watch MSG is on Wednesday nights for; you guess it.....WWE MSG Classics! Surely not to watch the Knicks !

Just turn MSG on for 30 minutes and you will see it.

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Thank You! I had no problem with Jake on the show, but to slam Capital OTB or NYC OTB for that matter is out of line. They all do a job, it's their opinion....you can agree or disagree with thier style or opinion but respect the job they do for the sport they love. It easy to comment on something that you haven't done before and slam them....that doesn't take anything but jealously. It was just an opinion about the show, no more than anybody else has here.

So do you consider these people on an OTB CHANNEL to be successful and said posters aren't? Because that's what I gather from your post.

Could it be you don't know what jealousy means?

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So do you consider these people on an OTB CHANNEL to be successful and said posters aren't? Because that's what I gather from your post.
Could it be you don't know what jealousy means?

Never said "the posters" aren't successful and you gathered wrong from my post. Someone one makes a comment and people not even involved get slam, that's what I didn't think was fair.

[Gander]

Think of the babes this little kid is going to get once he grows up. He'll be taking supermodels to his proms. Tom Brady, look out.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It has nothing to do with jealousy. The product that Capital OTB puts out on a daily basis is horrendous. How can you argue this?

That's your opinion and I strongly disagree....give me example of a "better" product that gives information on the horse racing scene, TVG, HRTV are OK if you got a "dish" but other than that there are none. Hell, I lot of people can't see or wager on a race....with Capital you get it all.

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

That's your opinion and I strongly disagree....give me example of a "better" product that gives information on the horse racing scene, TVG, HRTV are OK if you got a "dish" but other than that there are none. Hell, I lot of people can't see or wager on a race....with Capital you get it all.

So because other shows are bad that means one of these horrendous shows has to actually be good?

Excellent.