Close but Not Quite

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Candy Ride simply didnt do enough for me to put him in that league. He may have but he didnt.

i'm in the same boat with you on candy ride.
as for medaglia d'oro-he lost too often to too many horses imo to be considered a really good horse. really good horses win those races. it's not as tho horses like volponi and sarava really resonate with the racing public.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'm in the same boat with you on candy ride.
as for medaglia d'oro-he lost too often to too many horses imo to be considered a really good horse. really good horses win those races. it's not as tho horses like volponi and sarava really resonate with the racing public.

I had both of those

Volponi is the reason those guys got caught in the pick 6 scam. A favorite wins and they may not have drawn attention to themselves. if Medaglia d'oro was great then Lemon Drop Kid is

on topic:

Cigar won 16 races in a row including the BC classic and the inaugural Dubai World Cup and there are those that claim he wasn't great. Of all the horses that beat him I think Skip Away is the only one that is. But because he hasn't caught himself in the breeding shed he falls short of great.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I had both of those

Volponi is the reason those guys got caught in the pick 6 scam. A favorite wins and they may not have drawn attention to themselves. if Medaglia d'oro was great then Lemon Drop Kid is

on topic:

Cigar won 16 races in a row including the BC classic and the inaugural Dubai World Cup and there are those that claim he wasn't great. Of all the horses that beat him I think Skip Away is the only one that is. But because he hasn't caught himself in the breeding shed he falls short of great.

In what alternate universe is Cigar NOT great?

He certainly was a great racehorse.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In what alternate universe is Cigar NOT great?

He certainly was a great racehorse.

but aewingnut is correct in saying that there are people who say he wasn't great- they usually knock his competition.

[Cannon Shell]

Cigar was a great horse though his competition was a bit suspect. He did accomplish great things which you need to do if you dont have top competition which is my main knock against a horse like Curlin. What exactly has he done that is extraordinary? He is a very good horse but against some of the other horses in this thread he may not have won a single race.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In what alternate universe is Cigar NOT great?

He certainly was a great racehorse.

Cigar was a great ambassador of the sport. I get annoyed when I hear the complaints about the level of competition he faced. Who the hell was he avoiding? What monster made him go from track to track across the country? What race was he going to run in but didn't when this mythical beast was purported to run? Who was he avoiding when he went to Dubai?

The topic of the thread should be close but no Cigar.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Cigar was a great ambassador of the sport. I get annoyed when I hear the complaints about the level of competition he faced. Who the hell was he avoiding? What monster made him go from track to track across the country? What race was he going to run in but didn't when this mythical beast was purported to run? Who was he avoiding when he went to Dubai?

The topic of the thread should be close but no Cigar.

Well said!

And i agree with Chuck also about Curlin. The only thing is if he ships west and wins a prep (goodwood or pac classic) and then wins the BCC again then i think that would put him up a notch.