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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Hansen was the sox number 1 pick in 2005. Yeah, I would say he is a decent prospect.

The other guy might start right away.

Boston gave up a lot.

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not really. Boston has better and younger prospects than either of these 2 guys. Moss wasnt going to be more than a 4th OF for them and Hansen is replaceable.

i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

for


Jason Bay

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

i hear you. I am just saying that they gave up:

two prospects

7 million dollars

and one of the most feared hitters in baseball

for


Jason Bay

He has 20 HR's not 40. He isnt driving in 140 runs a year anymore and his conduct has been deplorable even for him. as a yankee fan I'm sure you rarely watch the pirates but until bay had an off year in 07 he was regarded as good as guys like Matt Holiday. He was rookie of the year in 04 and an All star in 05 and 06. it isnt like they got Dave Roberts for him

[fpsoxfan]

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

well said

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Truth be known, he is the only one on the Dodgers that can hit good pitching. That's it. One guy(better than none.) Without him, there really is no need to make the playoffs, cuz this bunch wasn't gunna hit in the post much(at all.) I guess you can say Blake, also, but you can't rely on him doing it. This is the best hitter we have ever had here. That's just a fact.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

But his numbers arent really off from his career averages. He is on pace to put up BETTER numbers than last year. He will hit 30 something homers and hit low 100's RBI and bat 300. Thats what he does.

More importantly, for his career, he always hits better the second half of the season. More importantly than that...he kills the yanks.

From many accounts, most of his teammates have said that they enjoy playing with him...except Youkilis.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Take it from a Sox fan......this was a divorce that was waiting to happen.
I certainly appreciate everything that Manny has done for the organization.
Let's face it, without him we don't win in '04 or '07. The problem is, Manny was never the type of guy who you could completely embrace. He's always been a headcase and as long as he was putting the numbers up, the Sox fans were always willing to look the other way. He's a desperate man right now. He's getting older and he's not going to get the contract he's banking on for next year. I'll always remember the big hits and the "Manny being Manny" moments, but in the end, he's just another very talented athlete who thinks he's bigger than the game.

I couldn't agree more ......The part of this that I am most curious about is how the rastaman will do without Ortiz in front of him and the guys that hit behind him all these years.

The crazy stint with the assault of the 60 year traveling secretary prior to the all star game was the beginning of the end for the front office and when it became clear Manny was going to treat the team and fans to 5.4 second 90 foot "sprints" and refusals to play when the club went to war, the Sox would have given him away for less. I have no idea how good this Pirate is but the outlaw just left town IMO. Say hello to the rest of former Sox Manny, the national league is entirely different and does not play to your skill set. A bigger left field in LA, no wall to allow you to cheat shallow, and a different offensive philosophy will expose you for the limited player and declining hitter you have become. The Sox are playing better already and don't play until Friday..

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by docicu3

I couldn't agree more ......The part of this that I am most curious about is how the rastaman will do without Ortiz in front of him and the guys that hit behind him all these years.

The crazy stint with the assault of the 60 year traveling secretary prior to the all star game was the beginning of the end for the front office and when it became clear Manny was going to treat the team and fans to 5.4 second 90 foot "sprints" and refusals to play when the club went to war, the Sox would have given him away for less. I have no idea how good this Pirate is but the outlaw just left town IMO. Say hello to the rest of former Sox Manny, the national league is entirely different and does not play to your skill set. A bigger left field in LA, no wall to allow you to cheat shallow, and a different offensive philosophy will expose you for the limited player and declining hitter you have become. The Sox are playing better already and don't play until Friday..

no offense, but this attitude is pretty much par for the course for how Sox fans have treated stars in the past.

Its pretty much "thanks for the help but dont let the door hit ya".

It will be interesting how they treat Papi as his time is fast approaching.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

no offense, but this attitude is pretty much par for the course for how Sox fans have treated stars in the past.

Its pretty much "thanks for the help but dont let the door hit ya".

It will be interesting how they treat Papi as his time is fast approaching.

No offense taken but lets take it easy on the generalizations about Manny being "like all the others".

Let's see I have been a fan of Boston sports teams since about 1963-64. My first hero was probably Yaz. 326-121-44 if you speak the lingo. The man left a saint when he retired and I still think he was the best fielding left fielder to EVER play Fenway. I never saw Teddy Ballgame.

Fred Lynn, Jim Rice, Tony C all left without pissing off the masses by loafing, quitting and beating on old men. Even Clemens left town without forcing the issue by refusing to take the field.

Dewey Evans and the 25 cabs for 25 players dance was a true event but to describe the last 4 decades as typical of Mannytime is just untrue.

The Pats and Celts are another story for another day......

Manny was great while he actually played, clutch, productive and beyond consistent but the BS that went on this year at the end warrants the current condemnation of his exit which will fade with time. Bill Buckner was embraced this year.....on second thought maybe we were all doomed because of this last one...