So just WHO targets and kills civilians??

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

The Jewish people indeed went through horror...so many gone for an insane man's dream.
If my words disturb you, I apologize.
I was raised to "turn the other cheek", "give my cloak also".
Passing on injustices only perpetuates hatred.

Matt: 23: 28-29...
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like white washed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones, and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness."

Interesting quote for someone claiming not to be anti-Jew! While I understand the context within the scriptures, when used in this thread as a stand-alone quote...it smacks of anti-Semitism! Again, the Israelis have a right to defend themselves, just because they happen to be good at it is no reason to condemn them. As far as quoting the Christian Bible to justify a point of view...well, "Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live!" Exodus 22:18....sorry, doesn't work for me!

[timmgirvan]

I really debated with myself whether to post on this thread! DTS: What happened to the Jews can't be contained in one sentence! They haven't passed on the injustices of Hitler(that is outlandish) Since their statehood in 1948, the Israelis' have been in the forefront of the gathering storm bent on their destruction, with nary a moments peace. America came to their aid for many reasons, and America will rightly support them in these dark times! The thing that is apparent is your dizzying perception of All things Bush. the Scripture quote was aimed at the administration. You presume to know their souls,now?? That was a weak and errant slam! Also, I noticed that the article had such pin-point and irrefutable sources bursting out all over the pages. You really should at least start in the 'middle' before you swerve so viciously to the LEFT! Somer: you have issue with the Bible because of its' repudiation of Witchcraft in all forms! In previous posts you described yourself as somewhere between Christian and Wiccan....Well..the Wiccan thing hasen't been working out too good for you recently! Still time to get it right,my friend! If either of you Gents want to continue..it might be best to PM

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I really debated with myself whether to post on this thread! DTS: What happened to the Jews can't be contained in one sentence! They haven't passed on the injustices of Hitler(that is outlandish) Since their statehood in 1948, the Israelis' have been in the forefront of the gathering storm bent on their destruction, with nary a moments peace. America came to their aid for many reasons, and America will rightly support them in these dark times! The thing that is apparent is your dizzying perception of All things Bush. the Scripture quote was aimed at the administration. You presume to know their souls,now?? That was a weak and errant slam! Also, I noticed that the article had such pin-point and irrefutable sources bursting out all over the pages. You really should at least start in the 'middle' before you swerve so viciously to the LEFT! Somer: you have issue with the Bible because of its' repudiation of Witchcraft in all forms! In previous posts you described yourself as somewhere between Christian and Wiccan....Well..the Wiccan thing hasen't been working out too good for you recently! Still time to get it right,my friend! If either of you Gents want to continue..it might be best to PM

While I respect all folk's right to worship and believe as they wish (as long as their beliefs don't harm others), I resent having the Christian scripture thrust upon me as "proof" of a given point of view! Also, I resent your implication that my beliefs are somehow tied to my recent misfortunes. Again, you are free to believe as you wish, I respect that...please respect my similar right! This is one of my big concerns about Christians....one way, and only one way is acceptable, otherwise it's off to the river of fire with you! Sorry, I don't believe in the devil, heaven (at least as you see it) or hell. I'm not being punished by your idea of god because I seek a different path, I'm merely realizing the consequences of decisions I freely made...no, not religious ones but matters of this world!

[timmgirvan]

Somer: As I stated ..it would have been prudent to PM, instead of this forum. Firstly: I apologize if I offended you for what I said...but you don't get to cut out the parts of the BOOK because it interferes with your interpretation of life. And, believe me,Somer....what I stated wasn't said with reference to this time in your life! I enjoy you, especially since you give DTS what for(that flamer) It would be good to continue, but I'm not gonna do an ESPN thing over here. So...Pm me and we'll play Spiritual chess if you wish...Peace

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Somer: As I stated ..it would have been prudent to PM, instead of this forum. Firstly: I apologize if I offended you for what I said...but you don't get to cut out the parts of the BOOK because it interferes with your interpretation of life. And, believe me,Somer....what I stated wasn't said with reference to this time in your life! I enjoy you, especially since you give DTS what for(that flamer) It would be good to continue, but I'm not gonna do an ESPN thing over here. So...Pm me and we'll play Spiritual chess if you wish...Peace

It's 1:00 in the morning so maybe tomorrow (or later today to be accurate). I'm not cutting out parts though, simply saying that I personally can't accept the whole! The only scripture that I ever reference is Exodus 22:18, and that for a specific reason. Anyway...off to bed!

[timmgirvan]

Off to bed with you then...take care! Later

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Dateline: Tel Aviv, Israel

Here are some FACTS:

1)The IDF & Israeli civillian casualty counts are HIGHLY inflated.

2) The Hezzbolah body count is about 30 per cent of what it is actually is.

3) The Lebanon civilian count is in the ball park.

4) Hersh's article has some truth in it. The US was on board before and throughout this trial run. Techniques and weaponary will be improved for the assault on Tehran. (the Persians have been dug in since the 11th century) It's gonna be tuff goin

5) There is hope for an anti fundamentalist backlash in Iran when the bombing starts. A limited nuclear option is on the table. Roughfly 5 underground tests a year take place in the Negev and the new arsenal is unbelievable (much cleaner ordinance).

6) The fate of Syria is still up in the air although militarilly they are a sad joke.

7) Yes, the Arabs won this war just as they did in 48, 56, 67, 73 and 82. Pretty much the same type victory won by the Germans, Japs and Italians in 1938/45. Similar to the Confederate victory over the Union in 1865. Lebanon resembles Atlanta after Sherman's "march to the sea".

8) As I type there is heavy fighting in So. Lebanon while the IDF mops up. DO NOT expect to see this on Fox or CNN.

9) Two FOX journalists kidnapped in Gaza.

"Good night Mr. and Mrs. America and all the ships at sea".

1. you are wrong
2. you are wrong, again
3. you are correct
4. of course the U.S. was aboard. but you're wrong about any assault on Iran. The U.S. does not have the capacity and the Israelis had trouble getting food, water and field goggles to their troops 5 miles away.
5. there is hope for a backlash, yes. we can hope. but you can forget about your dream of riding on top of a nuke into tehran. it'snot gonna happen.
6. The Syrians are the "gamechanger" in all this. You should know that much by now.
7. Victory is in the eye of the beholder, I assume. All I know is the "blamestorming" is just getting started in TelAviv.
8. There is NO "heavy" fighting going on as you wrote.
9. Here's what is going on in Gaza:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16946.html

Originally Posted by Dixie Porter

Dateline: Tel Aviv, Israel

Here are some FACTS:

There you go again, Dixie ...

... trying to muddle the argument with facts.

Hey ... can't you let your fellow forum members have their fantasies? Reality is very painful for them ... let the delusional be delusional.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Somer: As I stated ..it would have been prudent to PM, instead of this forum. Firstly: I apologize if I offended you for what I said...but you don't get to cut out the parts of the BOOK because it interferes with your interpretation of life. And, believe me,Somer....what I stated wasn't said with reference to this time in your life! I enjoy you, especially since you give DTS what for(that flamer) It would be good to continue, but I'm not gonna do an ESPN thing over here. So...Pm me and we'll play Spiritual chess if you wish...Peace

Timmgirvan,
You can label me a "flamer". It's quite ok with me.
I forgive you for saying so.
If you are unable to see any truth in the words I quote or the things I say, that's also fine with me.

Can I ask you a question?
Do you see any similartity between the Warsaw ghetto (1942) and Gaza (2006)?

Here are some more words that might further inflame you..."treat others as you would have them treat you".

DTS

[Downthestretch55]

For those that continue to believe in the lies of those that have proven their hypocrisy...
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0815-31.htm

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

For those that continue to believe in the lies of those that have proven their hypocrisy...
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0815-31.htm

I'm as open minded as they come but I refuse to read any more from Common Dreams...find a site that cares about looking for the truth not forcing every square object into the round hole of some perverse form of political solipsism!