Kenny Perry (Scuds Read This)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I think the PGA Championship is the major most suited to the game of the majority of pro golfers in the world. The Ryder Cup and the PGA Championship are not easily set up, but they aren't set up the same as the Masters and the U.S. Open. There is a reason why Rocco has had some success in the U.S. Open. It somehow suits his game(the course set up.) I remember seeing Kenny struggling in practice rounds the week of a U.S. Open. He was not able to chip out of the high grass close to the green(not at all.) Look at the courses he has traditionally done well at. He does well at the course in Michigan(The Buick.) The John Deere is not played on a particularly difficult course. For instance, David Gossett In 2006, made his first cut on the PGA TOUR since the 2004 season in July at the John Deere Classic in Moline, IL. Finished T75 at the 2006 John Deere Classic, where he won his only PGA event in 2001(I think he shot like -19.) Gossett made the cut there, and that's like the only PGA EVENT he has made the cut in for the last 3-4 years. He also does well at the Colonial in Dallas(short course.) He has had some success at Jack's tournament(that's probably the most difficult track he has won at.) He has had some success in Milwaukee That's not a difficult course(public course that short hittin' Sluman destroyed one year.) What major did Sluman win? Uh huh. That's the same major Kenny's game is suited for. What I am saying is that Kenny is a very good golfer, but his game is not as complete as to ever really be ready for these majors that he is skipping. The 1st 2 majors test all areas of a golfer's game. Kenny knows his game isn't up for that. I don't know why he is skipping the British Open, but it could be he simply knows he doesn't have the overall game to play some of the shots he would have on a links style course. This is not a guy who can recover from a poor shot hit into deep major tournament rough. Maybe someone strong like Andy Bean or obviously Tiger can recover with a miracle shot, but Kenny's week would most likely be done. Kenny contended strongly at a very difficult course(Players Championship.) I don't think he choked there. I think the difficulty of the course finally took it's toll. That's why I was confident he would be able to rebound(he was contending in a tournament he normally wouldn't have traditionally had the game to quite contend in.) When he got to easier tracks, he has taken off.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think the PGA Championship is the major most suited to the game of the majority of pro golfers in the world. The Ryder Cup and the PGA Championship are not easily set up, but they aren't set up the same as the Masters and the U.S. Open. There is a reason why Rocco has had some success in the U.S. Open. It somehow suits his game(the course set up.) I remember seeing Kenny struggling in practice rounds the week of a U.S. Open. He was not able to chip out of the high grass close to the green(not at all.) Look at the courses he has traditionally done well at. He does well at the course in Michigan(The Buick.) The John Deere is not played on a particularly difficult course. For instance, David Gossett In 2006, made his first cut on the PGA TOUR since the 2004 season in July at the John Deere Classic in Moline, IL. Finished T75 at the 2006 John Deere Classic, where he won his only PGA event in 2001(I think he shot like -19.) Gossett made the cut there, and that's like the only PGA EVENT he has made the cut in for the last 3-4 years. He also does well at the Colonial in Dallas(short course.) He has had some success at Jack's tournament(that's probably the most difficult track he has won at.) He has had some success in Milwaukee That's not a difficult course(public course that short hittin' Sluman destroyed one year.) What major did Sluman win? Uh huh. That's the same major Kenny's game is suited for. What I am saying is that Kenny is a very good golfer, but his game is not as complete as to ever really be ready for these majors that he is skipping. The 1st 2 majors test all areas of a golfer's game. Kenny knows his game isn't up for that. I don't know why he is skipping the British Open, but it could be he simply knows he doesn't have the overall game to play some of the shots he would have on a links style course. This is not a guy who can recover from a poor shot hit into deep major tournament rough. Maybe someone strong like Andy Bean or obviously Tiger can recover with a miracle shot, but Kenny's week would most likely be done. Kenny contended strongly at a very difficult course(Players Championship.) I don't think he choked there. I think the difficulty of the course finally took it's toll. That's why I was confident he would be able to rebound(he was contending in a tournament he normally wouldn't have traditionally had the game to quite contend in.) When he got to easier tracks, he has taken off.

Scuds the bottom line is if he putts he wins, last week he made everything, he has been making everything recently

GPK will tell you the PGA tour is a putting contest , whoever has the "hot blade" for the week will usually win

Kenny is a damn good driver of the ball and a hell of an iron player, i don't think it's the rough that gets him because there is no rough at the masters (or at least very little now), i just think the majors probably don't mean as much to him as say a tiger or a phil.

you have to be able to putt to win a masters or a us open and that is not his strong suit in general, if you could let Olzabal play his drive at augusta every year they would win just as much as tiger at that golf course

but i will tell you this and gpk will agree he is one of the longest and straightest drivers in the last 10 years on tour - check out total driving

[SCUDSBROTHER]

If he thought he could win it, I really think he would have gone. The Milwaukee tournament is even less important now that it's opposite of the British Open. It used to not be that way. That B.C. Open thing in Rochester used to be this weekend. Kev, what happened to that tournament? He wants to do well in the Ryder Cup. In the back of his supersticious mind, I think he is a little worried that playing a tough major might throw his game off, and he won't get it back for the Ryder Cup. This guy has one thing on his mind. He wants to be KING OF KENTUCKY(when that Ryder cup is taking place there.)

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If he thought he could win it, I really think he would have gone. The Milwaukee tournament is even less important now that it's opposite of the British Open. It used to not be that way. That B.C. Open thing in Rochester used to be this weekend. Kev, what happened to that tournament? He wants to do well in the Ryder Cup. In the back of his supersticious mind, I think he is a little worried that playing a tough major might throw his game off, and he won't get it back for the Ryder Cup. This guy has one thing on his mind. He wants to be KING OF KENTUCKY(when that Ryder cup is taking place there.)

i agree about that scuds, he will play the pga though , he could win if the putter stays hot

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If he thought he could win it, I really think he would have gone. The Milwaukee tournament is even less important now that it's opposite of the British Open. It used to not be that way. That B.C. Open thing in Rochester used to be this weekend. Kev, what happened to that tournament? He wants to do well in the Ryder Cup. In the back of his supersticious mind, I think he is a little worried that playing a tough major might throw his game off, and he won't get it back for the Ryder Cup. This guy has one thing on his mind. He wants to be KING OF KENTUCKY(when that Ryder cup is taking place there.)

That tournament got dropped from the PGA Tour schedule with the whole Fed Ex Cup bullsh*t and Fall Series.

The Senior Tour picked it up though. They still play at the same golf course (En-Joie GC in Endicott, NY) They just played it a couple weeks ago. It's now the Dick's Sporting Goods Open

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

If he thought he could win it, I really think he would have gone. The Milwaukee tournament is even less important now that it's opposite of the British Open. It used to not be that way. That B.C. Open thing in Rochester used to be this weekend. Kev, what happened to that tournament? He wants to do well in the Ryder Cup. In the back of his supersticious mind, I think he is a little worried that playing a tough major might throw his game off, and he won't get it back for the Ryder Cup. This guy has one thing on his mind. He wants to be KING OF KENTUCKY(when that Ryder cup is taking place there.)

That course is in Binghamton and is absolutely TERRIBLE!!! They had major flooding a couple years ago and played at Turning Stone Resort instead... now they have their own Tour tournament.

Originally Posted by GPK

Phil, not sure if you remember, but Perry screwed up that year at Valhalla. Instead of going to the range and hitting a few balls to stay loose for the possibility of a playoff, he sat in the tower behind the 18th green..waiting on everyone to finish. By the time Brooks birdied 18 to force a playoff, Perry was tight and had no time to warm up and hit balls. If I remember right, it was when the PGA was still sudden death playoff and not a 3 or 4 hole playoff like it is now. I believe they played #18 in the playoff (par 5) and Perry hadn't reached the green in 4 shots.

Yeah, you are correct- he was interviewing with the TV guys...

[Mortimer]

Well ..what about Edibby Abbie then?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Kenny says he doesn't have anything against "the Britains."

[philcski]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I think the PGA Championship is the major most suited to the game of the majority of pro golfers in the world. The Ryder Cup and the PGA Championship are not easily set up, but they aren't set up the same as the Masters and the U.S. Open. There is a reason why Rocco has had some success in the U.S. Open. It somehow suits his game(the course set up.) I remember seeing Kenny struggling in practice rounds the week of a U.S. Open. He was not able to chip out of the high grass close to the green(not at all.) Look at the courses he has traditionally done well at. He does well at the course in Michigan(The Buick.) The John Deere is not played on a particularly difficult course. For instance, David Gossett In 2006, made his first cut on the PGA TOUR since the 2004 season in July at the John Deere Classic in Moline, IL. Finished T75 at the 2006 John Deere Classic, where he won his only PGA event in 2001(I think he shot like -19.) Gossett made the cut there, and that's like the only PGA EVENT he has made the cut in for the last 3-4 years. He also does well at the Colonial in Dallas(short course.) He has had some success at Jack's tournament(that's probably the most difficult track he has won at.) He has had some success in Milwaukee That's not a difficult course(public course that short hittin' Sluman destroyed one year.) What major did Sluman win? Uh huh. That's the same major Kenny's game is suited for. What I am saying is that Kenny is a very good golfer, but his game is not as complete as to ever really be ready for these majors that he is skipping. The 1st 2 majors test all areas of a golfer's game. Kenny knows his game isn't up for that. I don't know why he is skipping the British Open, but it could be he simply knows he doesn't have the overall game to play some of the shots he would have on a links style course. This is not a guy who can recover from a poor shot hit into deep major tournament rough. Maybe someone strong like Andy Bean or obviously Tiger can recover with a miracle shot, but Kenny's week would most likely be done. Kenny contended strongly at a very difficult course(Players Championship.) I don't think he choked there. I think the difficulty of the course finally took it's toll. That's why I was confident he would be able to rebound(he was contending in a tournament he normally wouldn't have traditionally had the game to quite contend in.) When he got to easier tracks, he has taken off.

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but let's not forget Perry was THISCLOSE to winning the PGA in '96 (at Valhalla, no less), Brooks birdied the 18th to force a playoff, otherwise Perry wins outright. The guy is an awesome player, and a super dude. I love a guy that rolls to his own beat. With Tiger on the shelf he might be the world's best golfer right now.

...and no bangin' on my man Slu. He won 6 times on tour, and finished in the top 15 7 times in the U.S. Open.

[Mortimer]

So how is Thebby en ze hay??

[GPK]

Originally Posted by philcski

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but let's not forget Perry was THISCLOSE to winning the PGA in '96 (at Valhalla, no less), Brooks birdied the 18th to force a playoff, otherwise Perry wins outright. The guy is an awesome player, and a super dude. I love a guy that rolls to his own beat. With Tiger on the shelf he might be the world's best golfer right now.

...and no bangin' on my man Slu. He won 6 times on tour, and finished in the top 15 7 times in the U.S. Open.

Phil, not sure if you remember, but Perry screwed up that year at Valhalla. Instead of going to the range and hitting a few balls to stay loose for the possibility of a playoff, he sat in the tower behind the 18th green..waiting on everyone to finish. By the time Brooks birdied 18 to force a playoff, Perry was tight and had no time to warm up and hit balls. If I remember right, it was when the PGA was still sudden death playoff and not a 3 or 4 hole playoff like it is now. I believe they played #18 in the playoff (par 5) and Perry hadn't reached the green in 4 shots.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by GPK

Phil, not sure if you remember, but Perry screwed up that year at Valhalla. Instead of going to the range and hitting a few balls to stay loose for the possibility of a playoff, he sat in the tower behind the 18th green..waiting on everyone to finish. By the time Brooks birdied 18 to force a playoff, Perry was tight and had no time to warm up and hit balls. If I remember right, it was when the PGA was still sudden death playoff and not a 3 or 4 hole playoff like it is now. I believe they played #18 in the playoff (par 5) and Perry hadn't reached the green in 4 shots.

Kev when you see what Rocco did today, don't you think there is that element of a hot golfer changed by success who is putting out of his mind like Perry has been the last month or so. If the weather stays anywhere near what it was today we could have a real fairy tale winner. Watson, Norman, VanDe, Duval.....any of these will have a tear in your eye if they take the jug home.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by philcski

I don't necessarily disagree with your assessment, but let's not forget Perry was THISCLOSE to winning the PGA in '96 (at Valhalla, no less), Brooks birdied the 18th to force a playoff, otherwise Perry wins outright. The guy is an awesome player, and a super dude. I love a guy that rolls to his own beat. With Tiger on the shelf he might be the world's best golfer right now.

...and no bangin' on my man Slu. He won 6 times on tour, and finished in the top 15 7 times in the U.S. Open.

Like I said, the PGA Championship is the one major I think a regular PGA PLAYER can win if he plays great. Sluman, Rich Beem, Sean Makeel, Brooks...O.K.? It's a pretty cool tournament, because everybody in it can win it if they play great. That's not quite like that with the 1st two majors of the year, and sometimes the British, too. The one exception is the 2007 Masters. I was desperate to get Sluman to beat Paul Gow in the B.C. OPEN.....HE BARELY DID IT. Sluman's win at Milwaukee was very nice. A very limited player who did well with what he had. I wouldn't compare his talent to Kenny Perry's at all. Fact is Kenny should of won one or two PGA Championships. To be honest, I think Kenny can win that particular major at even the age of 50-53. You want to know what the limits of his game are? Ask Kev. Whatever the limits to his game are, the PGA is the major that is set up in a way that hides those limits (somewhat.) Fact is, these tournaments are set up in certain ways, and some set ups play into Kenny's game well, and some don't.That's why he is where he is this week. The most important thing to this guy is to be comfortable, and that will be in Milwaukee. Kev, do ya remember when Perry dominated in the Colonial. I really thought he might take the U.S. OPEN (practically his next start after the Colonial.) You remember the video of him practicing around the green before the U.S. Open? He was basically admiting he could not make the shot. Not even close. He had no idea how to do it. It was some kind of finesse shot. A chip of some sort around the green. These courses are very different from like 60-70% of the stops on the tour. Basically, Kenny likes a course that has "some birdies out there." That's the best way to describe where his game does best.