Interesting discussion

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Scav

See below what another trainer said, one that I respect, in regards to these crazy moveups



Here is what I know, I know that statistically, he is blowing normal achievable numbers out of the water with racing stock that has PREVIOUS FORM. This racing stock is showing HUGE improvements first out for Ness, and it continues, until he 'squeezes the lemon dry' and then he dumps it to someone willing to take the risk.

Understood. I respect and agree with most of what Cannon Shell writes. That being said, I still think that Ness in entitled to the "benefit of the doubt" until proven otherwise.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by scanman

Understood. I respect and agree with most of what Cannon Shell writes. That being said, I still think that Ness in entitled to the "benefit of the doubt" until proven otherwise.

So are Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Do you believe them? They haven't failed a test either. I dont think anyone shouldnt be skeptical about these guys who seemingly appear out of nowhere and suddenly do extraordinary things. If they are clean than they will have long successful careers. If not they go the way of Juan Serey, Oscar, Preston King, and many others.

[scanman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So are Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds. Do you believe them? They haven't failed a test either. I dont think anyone shouldnt be skeptical about these guys who seemingly appear out of nowhere and suddenly do extraordinary things. If they are clean than they will have long successful careers. If not they go the way of Juan Serey, Oscar, Preston King, and many others.

I haven't followed the issue with Clemens or Bonds close enough to have an opinion, but no positive = no guilt. But that leads to the other issue of whether or not baseball was/is testing for the "right" drugs to show an illegal positive, which I guess is the same issue that we have with racing.

Yes, be skeptical if you like, but those who scorn a man's good name without facts serve no purpose.

I hope Ness is clean and has a long successful career (and you too). The sport needs positive stories and with Ness, so far so good.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ness has a fairly cheap day rate - I'm curious if it's true that he rarely uses the vet as he claims.

I assumed his vet bills might be gigantic.

Maybe he's just moving them up with good old fashioned hay, oats, and water bought on the cheap with big volume discounts.