Very impressive 2yo at HP

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Scuds you was wrong. He overcame a mediocre trainer to give him the victory of his life in a grade 1.

[RolloTomasi]

SCUDS, you've lost your mind.

The horse has run 3 other times since his debut. I think everyone pretty much has gotten beyond his debut run.

Personally, I never said anything specifically about this horse (other than, given his trainer, he'd run as a maiden in a stakes---guess what? I was right too!!). I was just pointing out a potential change in running style 2nd time out, which many GREEN 2yos do. Apparently not this one.

But anyways, congrats. You called it.

What you exactly called...I have know idea.

[RolloTomasi]

Actually, looking back at his PPs, I should amend my last post.

In his debut, he was nearly 9 lengths off the early pace. 2nd time out, he was only a length off the pace.

Sorry for being way off.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Read it ROLLO. I said he is a good horse, but was worried about the trainer. Trainer did take a long time to get a win with him, but it is a Grade 1. Myself and JCS liked the horse a lot, and you said he just ran well because he broke poorly. If you couldn't tell that was a monster move on the turn that day, then you're lost. That was a stakes horse move, and you missed it. Go back and you will see everybody talking about the top 2 horses, and I didn't do that. I am picking out the winner of the Norfolk to talk about(while the rest of you were talking about the 2 that finished ahead of him.) He showed his hand to you in that 1st race he had, and you didn't see it. You were too busy calling it a fake move by a horse who broke poorly. That was a monster move that only really good horses can make 1st time out.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Read it ROLLO. I said he is a good horse, but was worried about the trainer. Trainer did take a long time to get a win with him, but it is a Grade 1. Myself and JCS liked the horse a lot, and you said he just ran well because he broke poorly. If you couldn't tell that was a monster move on the turn that day, then you're lost. That was a stakes horse move, and you missed it. Go back and you will see everybody talking about the top 2 horses, and I didn't do that. I am picking out the winner of the Norfolk to talk about(while the rest of you were talking about the 2 that finished ahead of him.) He showed his hand to you in that 1st race he had, and you didn't see it. You were too busy calling it a fake move by a horse who broke poorly. That was a monster move that only really good horses can make 1st time out.

Listen, this is really pathetic. First off, I never said his move was fake. I only commented that his running style (one-run closer) might be different when he starts breaking sharper. Does he come from out of the clouds anymore? No. End of story. Never commented on his class.

In fact, I followed this horse the entire Del Mar meet. If you do a search, you will even see that I liked him in the Del Mar Futurity.

Since that race, you haven't said two words about the colt other than to disparage the trainer, who obviously had the colt going the right way. Also note, he has a modest contender for the BC Juvenile Fillies (Palacio De Amor) not to mention in years past, has had BC starters place in both the Juvenile ('97) and Juvenile Fillies ('96).

So I guess you were the person that was wrong about this horse (and trainer).

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Listen, this is really pathetic. First off, I never said his move was fake. I only commented that his running style (one-run closer) might be different when he starts breaking sharper. Does he come from out of the clouds anymore? No. End of story. Never commented on his class.

In fact, I followed this horse the entire Del Mar meet. If you do a search, you will even see that I liked him in the Del Mar Futurity.

Since that race, you haven't said two words about the colt other than to disparage the trainer, who obviously had the colt going the right way. Also note, he has a modest contender for the BC Juvenile Fillies (Palacio De Amor) not to mention in years past, has had BC starters place in both the Juvenile ('97) and Juvenile Fillies ('96).

So I guess you were the person that was wrong about this horse (and trainer).

Why should I tout a horse that is green, and overbet each time in those maiden races? That trainer is not reliable, and the horse hasn't been a price ever, actually. If ya bet him each time, you'd of made 40% profit(WHEN HE WON TODAY.). Big deal. All I AM SAYING(IF YOU READ IT) IS HE WAS GUNNA BE A STAKES HORSE(after the very 1st race .) You tried to get JCS off him. I tried to get JCS on him.

[RolloTomasi]

Why should I tout a horse that is green,

I guess you have no sense of progression. Which is probably why you're still hung up on a post you made 3 months ago.

and overbet each time in those maiden races?

Actually, I was the first one to say he would be overbet. READ IT scuds! You got that from me. After his very first race.

That trainer is not reliable, and the horse hasn't been a price ever, actually.

Hmmm. What does that tell? That perhaps other people think he's a good horse, too?

Naaahhh. Couldn't be that...

All I AM SAYING(IF YOU READ IT) IS HE WAS GUNNA BE A STAKES HORSE(after the very 1st race .)

Actually, again, I said he'd be a stakes horse first ("The overbet horse next out will be Street Hero...if he shows up in another maiden...given his trainer, he may show up in a stakes as well..."). You just said he was "nice" and "good", for all I knew, you meant he was made out of sugar and spice.

You tried to get JCS off him. I tried to get JCS on him.

Actually, wrong again. JCS started a thread on this horse BEFORE he even ran. So I guess you were always a little late to the party.

Huh. Where you been?

norFOLKing around I guess...

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

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You tried to get JCS off him. I tried to get JCS on him.[/i]

Actually, wrong again. JCS started a thread on this horse BEFORE he even ran. So I guess you were always a little late to the party.

Huh. Where you been?

norFOLKing around I guess...

Oh really? Lets see what JCS thinks about it. I want to see what he thought at the time(since you have now done gymnastics to skirt the fact you didn't think it was a huge 1st time effort.)

[RolloTomasi]

Forget it.

I just found out that I can't beat you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjQKFoUdk4g

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Why should I tout a horse that is green,

I guess you have no sense of progression. Which is probably why you're still hung up on a post you made 3 months ago.

LOL...I am not hung up about it. I am trying to show all that posted on that thread that the horse they should of been interested in for the future was the 3rd place horse. Did I write very much about the other 2 that beat him that day? We were all writing about who was gunna be best (of those top 3 horses.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

So where were you for the last 3 months, or more importantly, where were you BEFORE the race? Everyone is so smart after....

I said I wouldn't ever play the trainer at less than 10-1. I am not talking about betting him. I am talking about the fact these people ignored me when I said he was really good. I told them he ran too good in his debut that day to not be really good. This is about that move he made 1st out. o.k., and they said it wasn't a legit monster move, and they were wrong. They ignored him, because they're ignorant. They went right to the 2 horses that beat him(instead of noticing the real horse who ran huge for 3rd.) I am not gunna tout that trainer's horses to bet. Look back, and you'll see I said he has appeared to be the best horse in all his races. If you want to know what I played , it was Azul Leon to win with 75% of my bet, and the other 25% was a straight exacta Street Hero/Azul Leon. God only knows what was wrong with Azul today. Lion Hearts have been running good over this surface. If he'd of fired, I think he does beat Street Hero, because Street Hero is still pretty dumb. I didn't like being down stuck behind horses in the 2 hole. That could of been an issue. Obviously, he may not be able to 2 turn. That's the way Oneill is for me, though. Friday night he had a horse ready to 2 turn off a layoff. Not today.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I said I wouldn't ever play the trainer at less than 10-1. I am not talking about betting him. I am talking about the fact these people ignored me when I said he was really good. I told them he ran too good in his debut that day to not be really good.

So, basically, when you said, and I'm quoting verbatim, that he "is a nice horse" and he "is good" we were all supposed to take that to mean he would win a two-turn, Grade 1, route at Oak Tree 3 months later?

The most telling thing you said, IMO, was that you hope he got sold so that some other cheating trainer could juice him.

A great fan of the game you are.

By the way, I'm glad you were right about him in today's race (even though you bet another horse). Congrats.

Now....NorFOLK off!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

So, basically, when you said, and I'm quoting verbatim, that he "is a nice horse" and he "is good" we were all supposed to take that to mean he would win a two-turn, Grade 1, route at Oak Tree 3 months later?

The most telling thing you said, IMO, was that you hope he got sold so that some other cheating trainer could juice him.

A great fan of the game you are.

By the way, I'm glad you were right about him in today's race (even though you bet another horse). Congrats.

Now....NorFOLK off!

I SAID HE WOULD NIBBLE IN STAKES(WHICH HE DID DO LAST TIME.) I was wishing for a better trainer to get him. Solis had to tell the guy to put blinks on him. I bet ya Espinoza tried to get him to do it, too. He still looks like a dummy. I mean the guy hasn't done much. The horse could be doing even better with a top trainer.