Who's more incompetent: NYRA Stewards or Gabe Saez?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

Do you consider Saez' ride lousy because he kept her to the inside? I always thought that if a jock assumed he was on the best horse, he'd rather be wide and in the clear........

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He basically buried her from start to finish - and Garcia really did an amazing job of help making it the legendary bad ride it became. He deserves almost as much credit for Proud Spell's trip as Saez.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He basically buried her from start to finish - and Garcia really did an amazing job of help making it the legendary bad ride it became. He deserves almost as much credit for Proud Spell's trip as Saez.

YEAH, Garcia pretty much exposed himself as a PUNK. Probably, 2nd only to Morales or Castellano given that ride. At some point, and it will be soon, Garcia will be BENT OVER by another jock, the way he bent Saez over today. Hope he takes as good as he gives and is as lucky as Saez was today (or Dominguez in the 4th, courtesy of Mr Castellano).

[Rupert Pupkin]

That is incredible that they took that horse down. There is not even a 1% chance that the incident changed the order of finish. Isn't the rule in New York the same as California? In California, they don't take a horse down unless the incident may have cost a horse a placing.

In a case like this, it is fine for them to give the jock days if they want to. But there is no reason to take the horse down.

[FGFan]

My vote goes to the NYRA stewards.
Baffling.
Sort of the same idea of when I think it was Caroline's Cat got taken out at the start by the eventual winner and they let the winner stand.

[ArlJim78]

you have to give it to the stewards, very bad takedown imo.

[horseofcourse]

It was a bit odd. It seemed a clear case of Proud Spell being cut off right as they concluded the turn...then the horse also bore in in mid stretch initiating contact with Proud Spell...then Proud Spell gets dq'd after passing with east while drifting out?? Yes, I'm biased as I would have won money with a 2nd place finish by Proud Spell hitting exacta's et all...but no way was any finish affected by the jocks. Music Note was the best...maybe Proud Spell is within a length with a better ride by Saez...but Saez was badly cut off by Garcia.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

YEAH, Garcia pretty much exposed himself as a PUNK. Probably, 2nd only to Morales or Castellano given that ride. At some point, and it will be soon, Garcia will be BENT OVER by another jock, the way he bent Saez over today. Hope he takes as good as he gives and is as lucky as Saez was today (or Dominguez in the 4th, courtesy of Mr Castellano).

Harsh words!!! You fail to mention that if this was the 70's Saez would have been swimming in the lake by the time they got through with him.

Face it. Garcia rode a brilliant race. If I owned a nag, I'd want to see that instead of opening up a red carpet for another jock. It's a Grade 1, not Mr's Smithers finishing school.

[CSC]

I'm very late on this, but I didn't think Saez's ride was worth this much ink...The stumble probably hurt him more than trying to squeeze up the rail. I think Mccaron's ride in the Preakness on Touch Gold IMO was worse. Just off the top of my head of one that comes to mind.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by Revidere

Harsh words!!! You fail to mention that if this was the 70's Saez would have been swimming in the lake by the time they got through with him.

Face it. Garcia rode a brilliant race. If I owned a nag, I'd want to see that instead of opening up a red carpet for another jock. It's a Grade 1, not Mr's Smithers finishing school.

Really? I thought the objective was to try to win the race for YOUR horse. Not to AID or HINDER another. Isn't that really what they have stewards for?

And how did Garcia really ride brilliantly? He rode like a PUNK and ASSED out with a ridiculous decision by the stewards. Is that something to laud? Do you want the stewards to continue the insanity?

Well thought out. And this **** only works if you have a bunch of incompetents as the 'ruling' body.

The interesting thing is in a high speed game with reckless participants nobody is immune from bad luck.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was away all weekend and just catching up now, but why does everything turn gay with you?

I think the fatman secretly has a crush on Prado and a few other jocks.


Fatman and Prado sittin in a tree...................

[philcski]

Just watched the replay, that was maybe the worst DQ I've ever seen. An absolute crime to take her down, the 3 lugging in coming off the turn almost sent her over the rail!!!! HOW THE F DO YOU PUT THE 3 UP AFTER THAT?!?!? F*CK!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by philcski

Just watched the replay, that was maybe the worst DQ I've ever seen. An absolute crime to take her down, the 3 lugging in coming off the turn almost sent her over the rail!!!! HOW THE F DO YOU PUT THE 3 UP AFTER THAT?!?!? F*CK!

i agree, the word CRIME came to my mind as well. i don't recall a more baseless action by the stewards.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I was away all weekend and just catching up now, but why does everything turn gay with you?

I think you need to go back in the IGGY BIN with Fischer and the rest of the idiots cause I can never make any sense of your ****. HEADS UP.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

I think the NYRA Stewards were paying Mclaughlin back for missing a very nasty incident a couple of weeks ago when Cornelio was bumped and practically put a Mclaughlin/Garcia horse over the rail. Garcia claimed foul, they called the race official before he got off the horse. I know there was a hearing about it. Not that Saez didn't deserve something for that ride but I agree I don't think it was all that critical.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

I think the NYRA Stewards were paying Mclaughlin back for missing a very nasty incident a couple of weeks ago when Cornelio was bumped and practically put a Mclaughlin/Garcia horse over the rail. Garcia claimed foul, they called the race official before he got off the horse. I know there was a hearing about it. Not that Saez didn't deserve something for that ride but I agree I don't think it was all that critical.

You think they're going to move Never Retreat up in a Grade I race to compensate them for "missing" something that occurred in a maiden race to a first-time starter that McLaughlin saddled for a totally different owner??

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

You think they're going to move Never Retreat up in a Grade I race to compensate them for "missing" something that occurred in a maiden race to a first-time starter that McLaughlin saddled for a totally different owner??

Yup. Obviously they included other factors but I am certain that figured into it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Yup. Obviously they included other factors but I am certain that figured into it.

That's quite an accusation.

I am certain it had absolutely nothing to do with it and the race from Belmont Day never entered their minds.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's quite an accusation.

I am certain it had absolutely nothing to do with it and the race from Belmont Day never entered their minds.

what was in their minds then?