Jeremy Rose

[tiggerv]

Originally Posted by Scav

If he didn't make a roundhouse type motion that was coming across his body. I would have to think that if you are going to strike a horse on its shoulder that a 45 degree motion with your arm pointing downward

I just did this in the office. Stand up, get into what is considered a jockey's stance, then go to the whip and start whipping to the rear, and then act like you are whipping on the shoulder, and then act like you are going to whip the horse in the face, three DISTINCT motions.

Again, I have no idea, I have been on a horse ONCE in my life and that was in the middle of wisconsin when I was like 8

Oh my

[phystech]

If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

[slotdirt]

Right, I'm just saying, if Howard Wolfendale thought this was a deliberate act, I think he'd absolutely be all over Rose, as phystech mentions. Wolfendale's statement definitely muddies the water a bit in this incident.

[CSC]

I don't know Wolfendale and it is hard for me to comment on him.

All I know is any normal person would be upset, unless they view horses as disposable assets. And I am sorry but the truth is like it or not horses are often valued in monetary terms.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In my opinion Wolfendale is protecting Rose. It's admirable on one hand and confusing on the other. Either way, what he did was wrong and hopefully the punishment will stay, because it was an inexcusable act.

I guess my only question would be why is he protecting Rose? That's the part I'm trying to figure.

[Bobby Fischer]

It was expected that the trainer, owner or both would support Rose. This is a business. They want Rose to ride for them Saturday. Not 6 months from now. The money and the people involved is what is important to these guys, and Rose is a top jockey to have on your team.
It isn't a pretty way to look at, but it's real.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

It was expected that the trainer, owner or both would support Rose. This is a business. They want Rose to ride for them Saturday. Not 6 months from now. The money and the people involved is what is important to these guys, and Rose is a top jockey to have on your team.
It isn't a pretty way to look at, but it's real.

Agreed. It IS not a pretty way of looking at it. But it is unfortunately real for many in the sport.

[tiggerv]

Wolfendale may be trying to help salvage the kids career. Long term, the real punishment is not going to be the suspension but his reputation. Clumsy accident with the whip or hot headed ass? Big difference in what kind of mounts he'll get in the future.

[CSC]

I honestly believe Rose would have been better served had he just came out and said, I was trying to teach her a lesson... to not lug in, it was never my intention to hurt her, I made a mistake, I am truly sorry to the fans and I am sorry to the connections. I will be a man and take my punishment. I am certain this whole story would have slowly drifted away and we would be concentrating on racing now. But as it stands now, it seems it will be the premier topic for many racing forums I suspect for weeks to come.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by CSC

I honestly believe Rose would have been better served had he just came out and said, I was trying to teach her a lesson... to not lug in, it was never my intention to hurt her, I made a mistake, I am truly sorry to the fans and I am sorry to the connections. I will be a man and take my punishment. I am certain this whole story would have slowly drifted away and we would be concentrating on racing now. But as it stands now, it seems it will be the premier topic for many racing forums I suspect for weeks to come.

I agree 100%. As an example Clemens vs Pettitte...

Pettitte - "I did it"...It's basically over and you never hear anything about it.

Clemens - "I didn't do it"...They've gone after him, his wife, his mistresses, he used Viagra, etc...and you know what...I can't find 1 person who actually believes him...

[mbahadur]

Below is Dan Illman's take on the incident in his DRF blog yesterday:

I've been following Delaware this meet, and this isn't the first time that Rose's actions have come into question. On May 12, I was co-hosting the New York City OTB program with Peter Rotundo, and we noticed Rose tearing the hide off runner-up Chief Export with 100 yards to go, and no hope of winning the race. If you go to calracing.com (free registration), and load up the May 12 race at Delaware, you'll see what I mean. Chief Export is breaking from post two, and is program number three. He breaks slowly, and rushes into a tight spot on the inside turning for home. After checking and angling to the outside, he fails to run down win-machine Spooky Mulder. Rose has no chance to win in late stretch, but still gives Chief Export a good beating on his shoulder. After the race, we called for his head on live TV, and in the wake of the Eight Belles incident, wondered how in the heck Rose could be allowed to ride in the Preakness later that week. I can understand his frustration over the bad trip, but the horse didn't deserve the hiding. I think the lengthy suspension is justified in that it sends out a message that the whole world is scrutinizing our sport, and that animal abuse will not be tolerated.

[Indian Charlie]

Dude, I just watched the Chief Export 'incident'.

Clearly that was accidental, as if you look real closely, you can see he was swatting at a gnat that was bothering the horse. The shoulder, unfortunately, just got in the way.

In retrospect, it was actually the horse that was to blame.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by mbahadur

Below is Dan Illman's take on the incident in his DRF blog yesterday:

I've been following Delaware this meet, and this isn't the first time that Rose's actions have come into question. On May 12, I was co-hosting the New York City OTB program with Peter Rotundo, and we noticed Rose tearing the hide off runner-up Chief Export with 100 yards to go, and no hope of winning the race. If you go to calracing.com (free registration), and load up the May 12 race at Delaware, you'll see what I mean. Chief Export is breaking from post two, and is program number three. He breaks slowly, and rushes into a tight spot on the inside turning for home. After checking and angling to the outside, he fails to run down win-machine Spooky Mulder. Rose has no chance to win in late stretch, but still gives Chief Export a good beating on his shoulder. After the race, we called for his head on live TV, and in the wake of the Eight Belles incident, wondered how in the heck Rose could be allowed to ride in the Preakness later that week. I can understand his frustration over the bad trip, but the horse didn't deserve the hiding. I think the lengthy suspension is justified in that it sends out a message that the whole world is scrutinizing our sport, and that animal abuse will not be tolerated.

Well that video isn't going to help him out in the public eye, that's for sure. It's Delaware Park, 5/12, Race #4. Nearly an identical situation, except Chief Export escaped without nearly losing an eye. Frustrated by his trip on Chief Export, he hammers home 2 lashes real late for no good reason what-so-ever. Frustrated by his trip on Appeal to the City, you know the rest...

Mr. Rose, you are a jackass.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by phystech

If Howard Wolfendale felt Rose intentionally hit his horse to do damage, Howard would have been all over him. Reading Wolfendale's press release tells me a lot and I'll trust his judgement since it was his horse.

One thing you don't do in MD - you don't f*** with Wolfendale.....

Well I am not in MD so here goes. I think, either way, whether it was an accident or delibrate, taking his defense is problematic.
Either you ride a jockey who can accidentally almost put your horses eye out or gets so pissed in a moment of frustration that he "takes him to the woodshed". Either way, there is a problem there.
I agree with Blackthroat in that he is paying for the collective sins of the past. That is problematic but if the sport is going to police itself it has to start somewhere. And, the horse is in the hospital for the injuries he sustained from the jockey. Why would anyone want to ride a joc who can accidentally or maliciously harm your animal to that extent?
Speaking of policing itself, Asmussen is going for another suspension.