Jeremy Rose

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

The Mig posts here?

Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Well.. Once so far. But he does lurk, and may be inclined to weigh in on this..

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

[blackthroatedwind]

By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

By the way, I think Rose is being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks.

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional? I'm looking at this situation and not even thinking about other abuses and draw the conclusion that I did. While I'm not on the horse, I don't see one bit of truth from his statement. She wasn't lugging in when he cracked he, she was going straight. And the 2 extra whacks causing her to severely swerve into the oncoming herd behind her, was not only unwarrented but dangerous for the trailing horses and jockeys. What do you think the stews are trying to make up for here?

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional? I'm looking at this situation and not even thinking about other abuses and draw the conclusion that I did. While I'm not on the horse, I don't see one bit of truth from his statement. She wasn't lugging in when he cracked he, she was going straight. And the 2 extra whacks causing her to severely swerve into the oncoming herd behind her, was not only unwarrented but dangerous for the trailing horses and jockeys. What do you think the stews are trying to make up for here?

I think, and I could very well be wrong, that BTW is talking about the chaos that's ensued since derby day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Wow! Really? Your take is that it was unintentional?

Where did I say that?

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

But, be that as it may, we are in an hysterical environment right now, and decisions made under these kinds of situations are usually rash and rarely the fairest possible. You need to ask yourself what his punishment would have been had this happened a year ago. Now, I understand that one could argue that perhaps that would have also been too lenient, but the speed with which this verdict was handed down, as well as the haste people had to rush to judgement, leads me to believe he isn't getting a fair shake.

You'll have to trust me on this, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would be cruel to animals ( save some of the posters on the internet who deserve all the abuse they can get ), however I am just as resolute in my feelings that a rush to judgement during hysterical times is a recipe for error.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where did I say that?

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

But, be that as it may, we are in an hysterical environment right now, and decisions made under these kinds of situations are usually rash and rarely the fairest possible. You need to ask yourself what his punishment would have been had this happened a year ago. Now, I understand that one could argue that perhaps that would have also been too lenient, but the speed with which this verdict was handed down, as well as the haste people had to rush to judgement, leads me to believe he isn't getting a fair shake.

You'll have to trust me on this, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would be cruel to animals ( save some of the posters on the internet who deserve all the abuse they can get ), however I am just as resolute in my feelings that a rush to judgement during hysterical times is a recipe for error.

I misunderstood then. That is what I thought you meant by him "being unfairly vilified for the sins of others and the whole thing stinks." My bad, sorry. I agree, the whole thing does stink. In regards to the rush to judgement, I am surprised that it wasn't handled in the manner that the Molina situation was. Didn't they remove him from his mounts and meet with him quite quickly, then impose a sentence only after the meeting?

I have a feeling that in almost a month from now, when his appeal is heard, it won't be as hot of a topic and the sentence will get reduced.

I have to tell you though. I understand the notion that they acted taking into consideration the scrutiny that the industry is under, and maybe the pressures they are feeling because of it, but there were some pretty strong comments from people on this board who I wouldn't think would be influenced by anything that has recently occured, including myself.

No matter how many times I watch it, no matter which angle I watch it from, I can't convince myself it was an accident.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

I am 100% sure it was intentional.

I don't think he intended to catch the eye obviously - just meant to lean forward and hit him across the face more than once to teach him a lesson about lugging in. The horse lugged in right across the heels of the winner and he could have gone down. Besides near injury - the lugging in also clearly cost the horse a better placing.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I am 100% sure it was intentional.

I don't think he intended to catch the eye obviously - just meant to lean forward and hit him across the face more than once to teach him a lesson about lugging in. The horse lugged in right across the heels of the winner and he could have gone down. Besides near injury - the lugging in also clearly cost the horse a better placing.

I'm still not so sure. Couldn't it be that he was aiming for where he hit the horse the two times after that?

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I am 100% sure it was intentional.

I don't think he intended to catch the eye obviously - just meant to lean forward and hit him across the face more than once to teach him a lesson about lugging in. The horse lugged in right across the heels of the winner and he could have gone down. Besides near injury - the lugging in also clearly cost the horse a better placing.

I've got to tell you, I've watched this thing too many times at this point. But one thing I am starting to lean towards is that when watching the head-on view, it really seems to me that Dominguez's horse bears out into the 2's path. If you look at the paths in the grass, the winner comes out off of the darker grass and that's when Appeal to the City ducks in. She seems to lug in more when watching the pan view than the head on.

[ninetoone]

It's been over a year, but I can tell you that Dominguez would have felt a lot more heat had the Scrappy T/Afleet Alex incident happenned in today's environment, especially if Alex had gone down, which I still don't know how or why he didn't.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Where did I say that?

However, and I have watched it many times, I'm not in the business of deciding intent and I dare anyone to tell me they are 100% sure it was intentional.

But, be that as it may, we are in an hysterical environment right now, and decisions made under these kinds of situations are usually rash and rarely the fairest possible. You need to ask yourself what his punishment would have been had this happened a year ago. Now, I understand that one could argue that perhaps that would have also been too lenient, but the speed with which this verdict was handed down, as well as the haste people had to rush to judgement, leads me to believe he isn't getting a fair shake.

You'll have to trust me on this, but I have absolutely zero tolerance for anyone who would be cruel to animals ( save some of the posters on the internet who deserve all the abuse they can get ), however I am just as resolute in my feelings that a rush to judgement during hysterical times is a recipe for error.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

It's been over a year, but I can tell you that Dominguez would have felt a lot more heat had the Scrappy T/Afleet Alex incident happenned in today's environment, especially if Alex had gone down, which I still don't know how or why he didn't.

That's a terrific point, had the mare's eye had not been hemmoraged. I doubt there would be any controversy at all.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[CSC]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That will happen right after a herd of cattle flies by my window.

Makes you wonder is there an unwritten code between Jockies? And if so how much of what Tony Black says today will be enlightening.